BLUEJACKET
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Re: Chinese sub thread
I've read that those converted 4 Ohios SSGNs are equal to 12 SSNs due to the # of SLCM carried and missions performed. It is possible that more SSBNs will be converted in the future, offsetting LA boats being retired. I also heard that one way to maintain the numbers adequate is to keep the older subs comissioned longer. Will they do it? As they say in the Navy, "that's above my paygrade!" But the PLAN will surely keep the and subs in reserve for training, mining, decoys, transport, etc.
I have seen 2 subs in Bremerton, WA that were used back in the 1950s-60s as radar pickets before the AWACs appeared! Why are they still there?
I've read that those converted 4 Ohios SSGNs are equal to 12 SSNs due to the # of SLCM carried and missions performed. It is possible that more SSBNs will be converted in the future, offsetting LA boats being retired. I also heard that one way to maintain the numbers adequate is to keep the older subs comissioned longer. Will they do it? As they say in the Navy, "that's above my paygrade!" But the PLAN will surely keep the and subs in reserve for training, mining, decoys, transport, etc.
..China's People's Liberation Army-Navy (PLAN) keep a "big but old" submarine force, including 30 active Romeo-class submarines and another 30 ones in reserve, which have the technology as old as the US submarines in its 1950s, according to Lieutenant Commander Murray. The Ming-class, the type of No 361, is a modification of the Romeo-class and therefore is regarded as "very old-fashioned" submarines. China now has 20 of such subs..
Don't underestimate China's submarine forces
Although Chinese navy has a series of problems such as obsolete submarines and technical difficulties in developing advanced designs, American experts believe that the strength of China's submarine force should not be underestimated.
"Even a sub force without good maintenance or top technology can be a threat, if able to lurk in shallow waters or otherwise remain quiet and hard to detect--in other words, such a sub fleet may be able to ambush even if it can't easily pursue," said Michael O'Hanlon, a senior analysts of Brookings Institute.
Submarines are the maritime weapons posing the greatest threat to an aircraft carrier formation. Submarines are also our Navy's core force, said one Chinese strategist. Retired Navy rear Admiral Michael McDevitt, a close observer of the Chinese Navy, also believed that submarine is "an essential ingredient in the maritime strategy of China". Murray wrote in his recently published article "China's Subs Lead the Way" that "submarines will for the backbone of China's gradual strategic reorientation toward maritime priorities".
Dr. Swaine said, "Any diesel submarine is always a potent weapon and poses problems to naval officers. It is difficult to be detected if submarines are well maintained. China is moving into that direction. But it does mean that it now has the denial capability on the sea. However, China's naval modernization program created a higher level of concerns (for the US) of free navigation in that area."
The destruction of US aircraft carrier battle groups remains the focal point of the doctrinal development of the Chinese Navy. Its diesel submarines would be the decisive force in realizing this new doctrine.
I have seen 2 subs in Bremerton, WA that were used back in the 1950s-60s as radar pickets before the AWACs appeared! Why are they still there?
Although two of the MIGRAINE III boats were put out of service and scrapped almost immediately, the remainder were reclassified as conventional attack boats (SS) or as auxiliary general submarines (AGSS) for non-combat duties, and they survived for "twilight careers" that lasted as late as 1978. The longest-lived was Sailfish, which was decommissioned in September of that year and which still remains laid up and afloat at Bremerton.

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