Chinese submarines thread


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tphuang

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I think this is probably a good time to start thread just on the Chinese submarine capabilities. The article below is an interesting one:

Considering that it stated Yuan set a dpeth record for a conventional submarine, I'm guessing this is going to be one advance submarine. It looks like Song is already getting mass produced, so China is making sure that Yuan finishes all of its tests before being formally revealed.

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New Chinese Missile Subs Pose Challenge To U.S.

By Martin Sieff
UPI Senior News Analyst
Washington (UPI) Oct 18, 2005
China's two new next-generation submarines with anti-ship missile capabilities pose a greater challenge to U.S. and Western fleets in the near future, World Net Daily reported this weekend.
According to a report by East-Asia-Intel.com last week, the Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy has already completed 18 voyages with its new Yuan-class vessel, a conventionally-powered attack sub which is believed capable of firing anti-ship cruise missiles as well as standard torpedoes.

The new Yuan-class vessel has reportedly passed a series of performance tests and is ready to be deployed, East-Asia-Intel.com said, quoting Chinese news sources.

The Jinyangwang news site, reported the vessel "has now formally become a new member of the PLA Navy's submarine force." It went on to say the vessel had achieved 15 firsts during its initial cruises, which "included technical performance, development and construction quality assurances." The news agency also said the new sub set a depth record for a conventional submarine.

Discovery of the Yuan-class vessel came as a surprise to U.S. intelligence agencies, East-Asia-Intel said.

Meanwhile, China appears on the verge of deploying its newest SSBN, or nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine, the Type-094 class, which is being developed as a seagoing extension of Chinese nuclear weapons power projection, World Net Daily reported.

The Type-094 is a follow-on to earlier SSBNs produced by China, most recently the Type-093, a nuclear-powered attack vessel "similar to Russian second-generation designs such as the Victor III," according to an analysis from the American Federation of Scientists, or FAS.

The 093 carries the JL-1, a two-stage, solid-propellant weapon with a single nuclear-capable warhead with a yield between 200 and 300 kilotons and a range of 1,056 miles. A sea-launched version of China's land-based DF-21 missile, the JL-1, was initially developed for the Type-092, Xia-class nuclear-powered ballistic missile boat, which became operational in 1983, according to FAS.

China has also developed the JL-2, a three-stage, solid-fuel sea variant of China's DF-31 ballistic missile. It is capable of carrying multiple nuclear warheads -- as many as four, FAS says -- and has a range of 4,971 miles.
 

darth sidious

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Mistake in the artical the sub carrying the JL-1 is the 092 not 093 also how does the americans know that the Yuan has alreadycoplete 18 voyages

PS does the yuan have AIP or sub lunched yj-62
 

crazyinsane105

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Yuan definetely has the AIP but I am not sure about the yj-62 missile. I think either the yj-62 or the moskit will most likely used. There is a bigger question: does the Yuan have the capability to fire LACMs? If it does, then that could seriously boost the PLAN's strike capability against Taiwan and even the Americans stationed in Japan and Guam.
 

darth sidious

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If the yuan can lunched the Mach 3 yj-62 then it willbe a serious threat to the japo/american fleet forming a gret wall at sea as for cruise missile i think it can use the russian club so that is not a problem
 

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Mistake in the artical the sub carrying the JL-1 is the 092 not 093 also how does the americans know that the Yuan has alreadycoplete 18 voyages
Darth Sidious baby..got an answer for you..my son , a sonar tech in the USN, once told me this...I will para-phrase..."the best(safest)place for a Chinese sub is in it's homeport"

I keep reading these threads about the 092 & 093. Does anyone have any real, not "P S", pictures of either boat? If so please post.
 

darth sidious

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popeye

read the artical agin 092 is the old modifyed han class carrying the jl-1 the 093 is the new pla attack sub with a 40knots speed. ARE you sure the new yuan and song are easy to track?
 

bd popeye

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darth sidious said:
popeye

read the artical agin 092 is the old modifyed han class carrying the jl-1 the 093 is the new pla attack sub with a 40knots speed. ARE you sure the new yuan and song are easy to track?
My son was refering nuke boats. Desiel subs are very hard if not impossible to track. The trouble with SSK's is that most are designed for littoral waters. most desiel boats range is limited and speed also(only 20 knots). Once they fire their torpedos or missiles they are going to be killed. Period.

Their greatest advantage is their quietness when operating on batteries. Nearly impossibe to find until they let loose their weapons. But as I posted many times before the USN is working on tracking deisel boats having contracted a Swedish SSK HMS Gotland to train with. I have no clue as to how the training has gone so far.

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darth sidious

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the new 093 is side to incorpate a hull made of AK-30 steel and two gas cooled reactores plus its side to be capable of carrying 16 sub lunched YJ-62 mach3 anti-ship missile !!! a bit like the russian p class

PS on ship with steam turbins do they lose speed after operating for many years ? the taiwanese gearing is noe capable of onle 23-25 knotes but their design speed was over 30?
 

bd popeye

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darth sidious said:
the new 093 is side to incorpate a hull made of AK-30 steel and two gas cooled reactores plus its side to be capable of carrying 16 sub lunched YJ-62 mach3 anti-ship missile !!! a bit like the russian p class

PS on ship with steam turbins do they lose speed after operating for many years ? the taiwanese gearing is noe capable of onle 23-25 knotes but their design speed was over 30?
It depends on how well it has been maintained. Those old Gearing class DD were designed to stem at 35 knots so they could accomapny CV's. but time has worn them down.

My son was on a Spruance class and it made over 30 knots the day before it was decomissioned. It was only 27 years old.

I also know the USS Midway made 32 knots just before it was decomissioned in 1992. It was 47 years old at the time.
 

darth sidious

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the taiwanese gearing have poor maintince but after 50 years unless you replace the boiler and the turibines I dont think you can mprove the speed or can you ?
WHAT DOES TAIWAN DD's HAVE TO DO WITH CHINESE SUBS???

the taiwanese gearing are used for asw aginst chinese subs so its not that off topic can the same thing happen to the Knox in taiwanese navy they also used the steam turbin if their speed are reduced so does their effectiveness aginst chinese subs
 
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