Chinese semiconductor thread II

Hyper

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Will this save NVIDIA's China share? A100 and H100 prices and rentals are already collapsing in China.

At the very least, a cheaper chip will give them a fighting chance against Huawei (and other Chinese AI chip designers now finally getting more access to SMIC.)

Perhaps.


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Nvidia will launch a new artificial intelligence chipset for China at a significantly lower price than its recently restricted H20 model and plans to start mass production as early as June, sources familiar with the matter said.

The GPU or graphics processing unit will be part of Nvidia’s latest generation Blackwell-architecture AI processors and is expected to be priced between $6,500 and $8,000, well below the $10,000-$12,000 the H20 sold for, according to two of the sources.

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Chinese brokerage GF Securities said in a note published on Tuesday that the new GPU would likely be called the 6000D or the B40, though it did not disclose pricing or cite sources for the information.

According to two of the sources, Nvidia is also developing another Blackwell-architecture chip for China that is set to begin production as early as September. Reuters was not immediately able to confirm specifications of that variant.

Nvidia’s market share in China has plummeted from 95% before 2022, when US export curbs that impacted its products began, to 50% currently, Huang told reporters in Taipei this week. Its main competitor is Huawei which produces the Ascend 910B chip.

Huang also warned that if US export curbs continue, more Chinese customers will buy Huawei’s chips.
They smuggled too many chips. And Deepseek, Butedance already have very efficient training framework. So they brought too many GPUs, and now some data center are empty. Don't expect anyone to make big sales till demand increases. Deepseek put a huge dent in demand for GPUs.
 

swcc

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Just for the record, since this hasn't been posted here: huawei is making it's own lithography machine, a 14nm Argon Fluoride(ArF) Immersion(ArFi) Lithography machine, mass production scheduled for 2026-2027 source:
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, literally the only piece of media on it in the english language:
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. Do anyone know the specs for it? How does it compare with the duvs that the dutch government blocked to china in 2023, kneecaping them(free market preacher netherlands btw, what do u expect from 14 eyes member), the NXT:1970i, NXT:1980Di, NXT:2000i, NXT:2050i, NXT:2100i, and do anyone have more info on the SMEE SSA800i-10w, and SMEE SSA900i-10w?

Also Hua Hong can make 7nm too(source:
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, not only SMIC, and Huawei's fabs. Thanks in advance
 

tokenanalyst

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SMEE SSA800i-10w, and SMEE SSA900i-10w?
The 10w is not accurate. RSLaser ArFi lasers are at least between 90-60 Watts.

 

tokenanalyst

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From Hongmeng Ecosystem to RF Front-end: Decoding the Industrial Chain "Development Revolution" Behind the Reorganization and Acquisition of Gokewei​


As competition in the global semiconductor industry chain becomes increasingly fierce, Goke Microelectronics recently disclosed that it plans to purchase 94.366% of the shares of SMIC Ningbo held by 11 transaction parties including Ningbo Yongxin through the issuance of shares and payment of cash. This move quickly attracted industry attention.

Public information shows that Gokewei is an integrated circuit design company recognized by the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology. It has promoted domestic substitution in many core areas such as audio and video encoding and decoding, live satellite channel demodulation, digital and analog mixing, advanced security encryption, and solid-state storage controller chips.

As a key component in 5G communications, the Internet of Things, automotive electronics and other fields, filters have long been monopolized by overseas giants, with a low localization rate. Among them, BAW filters have extremely high technical barriers due to their complex thin film deposition and micromachining processes.

The transaction announcement shows that the target of this transaction, SMIC Ningbo, focuses on special process technologies such as RF front-end, MEMS sensors, and high-voltage simulation, and is one of the few domestic manufacturers that mass-produce BAW filters. SMIC Ningbo has built a globally rare "full-band coverage + full-process penetration" capability in the field of filter manufacturing, becoming one of the few domestic companies that can achieve a SUB-6GHz full-band product matrix, forming a complete solution from low-frequency IoT to high-frequency 5G communications.


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tokenanalyst

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Jinglue Semiconductor has completed hundreds of millions of yuan in financing and is a domestic in-vehicle interconnection and switching chip developer​


Recently, Jinglue Semiconductor completed a financing of several hundred million yuan from a strategic investment from SDIC. It will be mainly used to support the acceleration of R&D innovation and mass production of in-vehicle interconnection and switching chips, and help the domestic substitution strategy achieve breakthroughs in the core links of automotive intelligence.

Jinglue Semiconductor is a rare domestic provider of in-vehicle Ethernet chips and full-stack in-vehicle high-speed network solutions. Its technical capabilities are comparable to those of first-class foreign companies. It has high-speed and high-performance analog, digital signal processing chips, system-level chips and mixed analog and digital design capabilities, and has 100% self-developed intellectual property rights and large-scale communication chip mass production experience.

The core team of Jinglue Semiconductor comes from top semiconductor companies in Silicon Valley, with rich experience in analog, digital, DSP and SoC fields, and the company's founder has long-term successful technical accumulation in the fields of Ethernet communication chips and high-speed SerDes. Jinglue Semiconductor has mass-produced various PHY and Switch chips of 100M, 1G, and 2.5G, with cumulative shipments of nearly 200 million. Recently, Jinglue Semiconductor successfully achieved the first mass production of 32G high-speed SerDes IP on the SMIC 28nm process, helping to expand the application of domestic mature processes in high-speed interconnect chip fields such as AI and data centers.

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huemens

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From Hongmeng Ecosystem to RF Front-end: Decoding the Industrial Chain "Development Revolution" Behind the Reorganization and Acquisition of Gokewei​


As competition in the global semiconductor industry chain becomes increasingly fierce, Goke Microelectronics recently disclosed that it plans to purchase 94.366% of the shares of SMIC Ningbo held by 11 transaction parties including Ningbo Yongxin through the issuance of shares and payment of cash. This move quickly attracted industry attention.

Public information shows that Gokewei is an integrated circuit design company recognized by the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology. It has promoted domestic substitution in many core areas such as audio and video encoding and decoding, live satellite channel demodulation, digital and analog mixing, advanced security encryption, and solid-state storage controller chips.

As a key component in 5G communications, the Internet of Things, automotive electronics and other fields, filters have long been monopolized by overseas giants, with a low localization rate. Among them, BAW filters have extremely high technical barriers due to their complex thin film deposition and micromachining processes.

The transaction announcement shows that the target of this transaction, SMIC Ningbo, focuses on special process technologies such as RF front-end, MEMS sensors, and high-voltage simulation, and is one of the few domestic manufacturers that mass-produce BAW filters. SMIC Ningbo has built a globally rare "full-band coverage + full-process penetration" capability in the field of filter manufacturing, becoming one of the few domestic companies that can achieve a SUB-6GHz full-band product matrix, forming a complete solution from low-frequency IoT to high-frequency 5G communications.


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Market reaction to this news looks too harsh (5% drop for SMIC). May be because it's being referred to as SMIC Ningbo in the media. SMIC refers to this company as Ningbo Semiconductor International (NSI) rather than SMIC Ningbo. SMIC called it an associate rather than a subsidiary because SMIC only had a minority stake (about 14%) in this fab and it contributed very little to SMIC bottom line. Goke has clearly bought the bulk of it from other shareholders, as SMIC only owned 14% to begin with.
 

swcc

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Can someone much more knowledgeable make compilation for every category in euv like the lightsource and the subcategory in lightsource, the optics and the subcategories like ule glass, etc? And make it in a document, it's hard to get a macro view of the progress in euv, thank you.
 

Michael90

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You know this whole AI chip thing with the astronomical prices charged by NVIDIA and sustained (mainly) by the American supported narrative of exclusivity in AI that you cannot do AI without the most fucking expensive chips?
Well, they have the only competitive and advanced AI chips and the best ecosystem that runs with it at the moment, Reason the whole world relies on them(including China to some extent). So until China can produce AI chips as good as Nvidia in all categories and with a corresponding eco-system as good as CUDA, then others will prioritise Nvidia obviously. Huawei and others first need to be able to corner the entire Chinese market before they can have a chance of challenging Nvidia around the world with better products and cheaper prices. That's the only way countries will be able to go against US sanctions to buy Huawei chips and eco-system instead of Nvidia..
 
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