PE Ti and PE Co probably stand for plasma enhanced Ti and Co ALD. But this is also confusing because most metal ALDs are thermal not plasma
Chinese semiconductor thread II
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I read through thread. It seems to be that guy's proposed or what he thinks it can be rather than what it actually is.
oh gosh, the same old stupid line of if servicing stops, then machines will stop working. I wonder how SMSC has kept all those American machines operational for over a year or those ASML machine operational since November.
It's of course really sub-optimal to not have them be serviced, but machines can live without software updates. There is a reason SMIC bought all those ASML machines despite no assurances of continued servicing. It thinks it can operate them without servicing.
At some point, Chinese govt will need to start playing hardball. If ASML cannot service the machines it sold to China, then revoke patents and IPs that ASML has established in China.
Put huge tariffs on NXP chips and ASMI tools. This is ridiculous that you get run over by Netherlands of all places
Why not make it standard practice to revoke all patents and IPs that are under sanction?
Because that would be very escalatory and right now the domestic sector is still in a position to benefit from foreign technology. Those are the kind of moves you make after you are the established, dominant, player not when you are still the up-and-coming player. At some point it might make sense to do that, but that point is years in the future.
And just because you can make dramatic moves doesn't mean it's a good idea. The US made dramatic moves trying to strangle semiconductors and look at how that is going. Sometimes the wisest thing to do is nothing at all.
Depends if the product intends to be re-exported abroad. For sensitive strategic assets like domestic DUV or EUV, I highly doubt it will be exported to unfriendly countries where IP legal challenge will arise.
So if the equipment is exclusively for domestic China use only or friendly countries, and foreign suppliers is forbidden to sell to China or even service the pre-existing equipment, then they won't even bother issuing a legal IP challenge when they aren't even allowed to sell in mainland China. So just make OEM replacement parts or reverse engineer it, it's a no brainer.
I think China is already reverse engineering it in case OEM replacement parts or supplies are denied. They just don't openly announce it.
Either way ASML patents are worth nothing in China under the current situation and ASML knows that, they are not fools, they stated that in their last annual report. If China develops an LPP EUV machine, if ASML is not allowed to sell their EUV machines in China any attempt of claim IP infringement will only backfire to them very bad. The Chinese goverment could:
1-Force ASML to a FRAND agreement.
2- Put a "national security" clause to all EUV or immersion lithography related patents.
3-Force ASML to pay reparations to Chinese fabs.
ASML knows that and they wont play that card until they are allowed to sell EUV machines to China.
Or grant a compulsory licence under Part VI of the Patent Law of PRC:
Sir you're correct NOT on P70 PRO but maybe in MATE 70X
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