Chinese semiconductor thread II

jx191

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I think it's just samsung using their control over the government to scare employees against jumping ship. All south koreans can only be slaves to samsung
South Korea being controlled by powerful companies like Samsung is so depressing for the entire country, glad it's the other way round for China. Even the most powerful companies in China are under the government's watchful observation.
 

Wrought

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US is busy coping about its failure.

SAN FRANCISCO, Oct 7 (Reuters) - Gaps in efforts by the U.S. and allies to restrict China's ability to manufacture advanced computing chips have allowed China to buy nearly $40 billion of sophisticated chipmaking gear, according to a bipartisan investigation by U.S. lawmakers.

But inconsistencies in rules issued by the United States, Japan and the Netherlands have led to non-U.S. toolmakers selling to some Chinese firms that U.S. companies could not, according to a report by the U.S. House of Representatives Select Committee on China seen by Reuters.

Chinese firms last year bought $38 billion in equipment from five top semiconductor manufacturing equipment suppliers, without breaking the law, a 66% increase from 2022, when many of the tool export restrictions were introduced. It also accounted for nearly 39% of the aggregate sales of Applied Materials
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tokenanalyst

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I think there is a probability that the overpaid stooges in Washington D.C are going to make the entire US semiconductor industry to collapse, i think even probably in the near future. The US doesn't have a effective industrial policy, the entire tech ecosystem is relying in a tech bubble and on top there are so many export restrictions to US companies to sell to a big market like China that any pop of the bubble is going to hit these companies really hard and the US market will probably no be able to compensate for the lost of a big market like China.
The vast majority of Nvidia revenue depend on just a few companies. If the AI chat bubble pops, there goes Nvidia and then TSMC and then KLA, AMAT, LAM and ASML, all the way down to coffee machines. And that is not counting that Intel is down pretty bad and their recovery is uncertain. Usually these companies could rely on a Market like China who has a more diverse tech ecosystem, they don't only want chips for datacenters but also for humanoid robotics, self-driving vehicles, 5G and the extensive list goes on. Also Chinese generative AI labs focus on open source and efficient solutions allows medium and small businesses to implement custom solutions that will probably boost sales of GPUs and AI hardware. That is why Jensen is concerned about losing the Chinese market because the cloud closed approach of US labs make them rely on a shrinking pool of costumers for their GPUs.​
 

Wrought

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Local suppliers of silicon wafers are rapidly gaining market share.

"When verification was completed in the past year or two, the majority of local chipmakers largely switched to producing chips on domestically made silicon wafers. The shift is quite significant," said one executive with direct knowledge of the situation. "Regardless if you are a Chinese supplier of driver chips or not, if you want China's business, it is strongly 'encouraged' to use Chinese-made wafers," an executive with a display and semiconductor equipment manufacturer told Nikkei Asia. "This is also the way China's self-sufficiency policy can sustain itself."

David Dai, a veteran semiconductor analyst at Bernstein Research, said China's pace of achieving self-sufficiency in silicon wafers is picking up faster than many outsiders had expected, especially for more mature, or older generation, chips. "Global market leaders' share in China is bound to decline. The country's self-sufficiency in 12-inch wafers has already reached more than 50% when looking only at supplies to local Chinese chipmakers and excluding foreign chipmakers, such as Samsung, TSMC or SK Hynix, that operate plants in China," Dai said. "For 8-inch wafers, self-sufficiency rates are already 80%. In memory chipmaking cases, the percentage is even higher."

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