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A new source of high-power extreme-ultraviolet (EUV) light, steady-state microbunching (SSMB), is peeking over the horizon, following a proof-of-principle experiment published in Nature1. Corresponding author, Chuanxiang Tang, says the potential power of SSMB EUV could be used to etch more-intricate patterns onto semiconductor circuits, which are used to store and transfer data in devices.


“A high-power EUV source is of crucial importance for high-volume manufacturing using EUV lithography,” explains Tang, a professor in theDepartment of Engineering Physics at Tsinghua University. EUV lithography reduces the steps needed to manufacture circuits by bypassing multi-patterning, a multiple-exposure method currently used to get finer circuit pattern resolution. But power is the key to realizing viable EUV lithography, says Tang, since the optical system is reflective and the power loss of each of the 11 reflections exceeds 30%.

I won't pretend to understand completely what's being explained here. I don't.
 
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This bit is easy to understand:
If funding is forthcoming, the Tsinghua team hope to construct a dedicated SSMB storage ring in Beijing, says Tang.“If things go well, we plan to build it in the following five to six years.”
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That's just an experimental device to investigate the phenomenon. If (and as always with such things, it's a significant if) it proves viable, industrial devices might be built in the 2030s.

This has nothing to do with China's current efforts to develop EUVL.
 
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This bit is easy to understand:

That's just an experimental device to investigate the phenomenon. If (and as always with such things, it's a significant if) it proves viable, industrial devices might be built in the 2030s.

This has nothing to do with China's current efforts to develop EUVL.
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I was talking about the physics of SSMB. It's pretty clear it is not going to help much for the immediate need of EUV. Still a good development.
 
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Correct this video also said that is the case. China does not lack talent but retaining talent and prodding overseas talent to return is a challenge But with better economic , scientific, living condition more and more are returning. In fact I believe this is the ace in china hand in their struggle against the hegemony of the west. China need to facilitate this talent and one of them is to implement Ethnic Chinese ID card.
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This video quoted Yin Zhiyao saying most of the technical R&D personnel and team leaders at Intel were Chinese.
Yin Zhiyao, founder of China Micro Semiconductors that developed the 5nm etching machine being used at TSMC.
It is at the 2 min mark.
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badoc said:
This video quoted Yin Zhiyao saying most of the technical R&D personnel and team leaders at Intel were Chinese.
Yin Zhiyao, founder of China Micro Semiconductors that developed the 5nm etching machine being used at TSMC.
It is at the 2 min mark.
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Well I am not so sure But if you ever go to Cupertino almost 40% or more are Asian
What percent of Cupertino is Asian?

According to the most recent ACS, the racial composition of Cupertino was: Asian: 67.48% White: 26.95% Two or more races: 3.26%
 
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Well I am not so sure But if you ever go to Cupertino almost 40% or more are Asian
What percent of Cupertino is Asian?

According to the most recent ACS, the racial composition of Cupertino was: Asian: 67.48% White: 26.95% Two or more races: 3.26%
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Yin Zhiyao was working with Intel in 1984, almost 37 years ago, when Intel went on to become the world leading FAB.

So we are not referring to recent times when under Indian Chief Engineer Murthy Renduchintala and his Indian cohorts,
Intel went from leading FAB to ALSO-RAN.
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Yin Zhiyao was working with Intel in 1984, almost 37 years ago, when Intel went on to become the world leading FAB.

So we are not referring to recent times when under Indian Chief Engineer Murthy Renduchintala and his Indian cohorts,
Intel went from leading FAB to ALSO-RAN.
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Well, I really don't think we should invest our time to such conclusions or reasonings. There is a fallacy to that way of thinking : Transistors were developed in US ( France transistrons aside), and many other important semiconductor breakthroughs happened in US ushering in silicon age under the guidance of White people or Europeans.

What you are trying to imply( or accidentally implying) is that there exists a hierarchy within humans. It is quite racist. And China has been a victim of it for long ( all nations other than those in western Europe has been). Surprisingly, W.B Shockley ( one of the inventors of transistors) was a racist who
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To come to the topic, just typing "US semiconductor inventors Indians" gave me two results first page itself

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is an Indian electrical engineer best known for his work in power semiconductor devices, and particularly the invention of the insulated gate bipolar transistor (IGBT).
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is an engineer, entrepreneur and venture capitalist. He is known as 'Father of the Pentium Chip' for his contribution to the development of Intel's
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I still remember reading about
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, when i was really young. As wiki describes, he was an african origin who created the first Gigahertz chipset among other contributions.
 
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Well, I really don't think we should invest our time to such conclusions or reasonings. There is a fallacy to that way of thinking : Transistors were developed in US ( France transistrons aside), and many other important semiconductor breakthroughs happened in US ushering in silicon age under the guidance of White people or Europeans.

What you are trying to imply( or accidentally implying) is that there exists a hierarchy within humans. It is quite racist. And China has been a victim of it for long ( all nations other than those in western Europe has been). Surprisingly, W.B Shockley ( one of the inventors of transistors) was a racist who
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To come to the topic, just typing "US semiconductor inventors Indians" gave me two results first page itself

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is an Indian electrical engineer best known for his work in power semiconductor devices, and particularly the invention of the insulated gate bipolar transistor (IGBT).
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is an engineer, entrepreneur and venture capitalist. He is known as 'Father of the Pentium Chip' for his contribution to the development of Intel's
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I still remember reading about
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, when i was really young. As wiki describes, he was an african origin who created the first Gigahertz chipset among other contributions.
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But Indians were not subjected to discrimination and demonization like Chinese were.
There never was a Indian Exclusion Act.

It is reality that different peoples excel in different disciplines.
The Chinese don't compete with the Indians in Spelling Bees and Indians are generally more successful in US politics and pharmaceuticals.

My main highlight is that the Chinese can hold their own and be a major contributor in Semiconductor.
We will never know how the PC micro-processor may have developed if China were not embargoed and Intel had their R&D development in China instead of India.
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But Indians were not subjected to discrimination and demonization like Chinese were.
There never was a Indian Exclusion Act.

It is reality that different peoples excel in different disciplines.
The Chinese don't compete with the Indians in Spelling Bees and Indians are generally more successful in US politics and pharmaceuticals.

My main highlight is that the Chinese can hold their own and be a major contributor in Semiconductor.
We will never know how the PC micro-processor may have developed if China were not embargoed and Intel had their R&D development in China instead of India.
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No such thing as " different people excel in different disciplines". It depends on the areas a nation/people/society focus on. Many believe Asians were physically weak until Chinese started sweeping weightlifting medals.If Chinese devote to improving Spelling Bee or pharmaceuticals , they will win. Indians win in spelling bee because Indian parents consider English proficiency as a requirement to immigrate, integrate and succeed better in western countries. Indians excel in pharmaceuticals because Indian laws have a clause to junk foreign patents if it is necessary for public and this forced foreign companies to license Generic drugmakers. This led to slow and solid growth of indian pharma research.

We are comparing nations and people who have different levels of development and different conditions for development. No empirical evidence to suggest one people excel in a field than others. Malnutrition, for example, affects brain development and physical development. Poor countries won't churn out physically fit or smart people as numerous as rich countries, therefore. China is reaping rewards for improving its HDI, average incomes and focusing on science. If Egypt does that, Egypt can compete with Germany.
 
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