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Jiang ZeminFanboy

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Reading this article is like reading this thread.

Again I request making this thread not visible for non-members of sinodefence.

Sure, everyone in China is happy to use iPhone6 level smart phones
But they will have to deal with it at this level of a new cold war. I would also add the death penalty for importing foreign smartphones on the black market.
 

latenlazy

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I think better not to dismiss this out of hand till more familiar with the technology and its capabilities. After all if can ramp up to the required power for DPP EUV which utilize a diffused plasma cloud, I don't see why tabletop synchrotron emitted EUV can't. And these machines are 'tabletop' or 'desktop' sized in name only ( relative to the size of the normal behemoth sized synchrotron machine), they can occupy a volume of 2 to 3 rooms. The more pressing concerns are whether this technology is amenable to the SSMB treatment and can it offer high repetition rate of discharge.
If you know anything about how synchrotron’s scale up energy output you’d know why table top synchrotrons don’t generate that much power. You’re not really resolving the size to output ratio problem.
 

gelgoog

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If any of you guys want to buy a hard disk better do it sooner rather than later.
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Someone came up with yet another Internet worm. This time it eats storage space instead of CPU cycles like Bitcoin.
 

Oldschool

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计算光刻技术就是软件,由北京东方晶源负责,会用到一些大数据和人工智能技术。细分到下面各个子系统商都有自己的专用软件,大部分是自主开发的

北京东方晶源 responsible for software of Lithography calculation.

嘉定量产光刻机照明系统

嘉定 responsible for illumination optics

北京今后将是国产光刻机核心系统的产业重镇,浸没镜头、浸没光源、浸没双工件台大部分都在那里生产
 

Sincho

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If you know anything about how synchrotron’s scale up energy output you’d know why table top synchrotrons don’t generate that much power. You’re not really resolving the size to output ratio problem.
Then what about the conclusion reached by the authors of the research paper? "We report that SCR is suitable for EUV lithography (EUVL) because the spectrum is monochromatic, the radiation angular spread is as narrow as 20×5 mrad2, and the emitter size can be 0.01×3 mm2"
 

Jiang ZeminFanboy

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LMAO, this is insane
Do you think
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will willingly buy an inferior smartphone in the case of the American total ban against Chinese smartphone makers? Check Q1 stats for apple revenue in China after the Huawei ban.

If the USA attacks, China has to answer, in that case making enough demand for Chinese inferior chips.
 
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Do you think
isheep.jpg
will willingly buy an inferior smartphone in the case of the American total ban against Chinese smartphone makers? Check Q1 stats for apple revenue in China after the Huawei ban.

If the USA attacks, China has to answer, in that case making enough demand for Chinese inferior chips.
Economic competition is good, actually
 

latenlazy

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Then what about the conclusion reached by the authors of the research paper? "We report that SCR is suitable for EUV lithography (EUVL) because the spectrum is monochromatic, the radiation angular spread is as narrow as 20×5 mrad2, and the emitter size can be 0.01×3 mm2"
They’re talking about the appropriateness of the photon emissions, not industrial feasibility. Science papers don’t draw conclusions about the latter. There’s a reason this paper is a decade old and we don’t see anyone pursuing synchrotrons as a viable EUV light source. Synchrotrons were looked at as a potential EUV source at the start of EUV development and they were abandoned pretty quickly as a viable commercial path for a reason. I’m not ruling out innovation in this space changing that, but my point is that viable application of this technology is much further away than some people here are fantasizing. The timelines don’t match up for China to become self sufficient in commercially viable EUV lithographs, especially given that there are only so many node iterations EUV will be usable for before that technology also taps out its potential.
 
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