Chinese semiconductor industry

BlackWindMnt said:

Then the question is can the US produce a big enough next generation of Semi conductor designers domestically, given their 350 million population vs Chinas 1400 million. Because if the talent pool isn't replenished generational knowledge will erode away. Kind of like the US hasn't really made any big infrastructure project the last couple of decades that I know of. Can the US still do it?

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Lee Kuan Yew once said, "China can draw on the talents of 1.3 billion people. The U.S. can draw on the talents of 7 billion people."

The U.S. openness to immigration of STEM Ph.D's and diverse society is its strength.

@WTAN. Based on some of the report, SMEE will have second generation of 28nm 4th quarter of 2021.
And 2023, 20nm scanner onboard. Based on that rate, maybe a 14nm scanner by 2025.
That means it gonna take a long time to reach 7nm scanner. I think the euv has to come out in 2025 and take over 7nm and below.

Alot of folks automatically assume one can do a 14nm process with double pattern with a 28nm scanner. That's absolutely false!



据报道，上海微电子设备（SMEE）有望在2021年第四季度交付其第二代深紫外（DUV）光刻扫描仪。
。报告称，到2023年，SMEE希望生产出足以用于20 nm节点的机械。

gadgetcool5 said:

Lee Kuan Yew once said, "China can draw on the talents of 1.3 billion people. The U.S. can draw on the talents of 7 billion people."

The U.S. openness to immigration of STEM Ph.D's and diverse society is its strength.

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What a bunch of bologne.
Chinese played a critical role in US semiconductor industry. Now every Chinese is viewed as a threat. So, US just lost a key element. A big void. No other ethnic groups can step up and take the void
Indians are more IT than semiconductor.

gadgetcool5 said:

Lee Kuan Yew once said, "China can draw on the talents of 1.3 billion people. The U.S. can draw on the talents of 7 billion people."

The U.S. openness to immigration of STEM Ph.D's and diverse society is its strength.

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LOL, the "US openness to immigration of STEM Ph.D's and diverse society is its strength." Are we talking pre-trump and goldie boy obama years here?

The math on 7 billion seems suspect itself... I didn't realize the US could count on the unlimited talents of iranians, russians, pakistanis, iraqis, afghanis, CHINESE... maybe Indians... definitely Indians. Hell, are we gonna subtract all the people america has bombed over the years, or assume they all LOVE and want to flock to the "land of the free"?

gadgetcool5 said:

Lee Kuan Yew once said, "China can draw on the talents of 1.3 billion people. The U.S. can draw on the talents of 7 billion people."

The U.S. openness to immigration of STEM Ph.D's and diverse society is its strength.

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Chinese semiconductor industry already employs a huge number of Taiwanese and to a less extend Korean engineers. Chinese flat display panel industry is the reverse, a huge number of Koreans and some Taiwanese. Some other industries hire Japanese. Taiwan, South Korean and Japan together probably have more high level engineering talents than Africa, India and South America combined.

gadgetcool5 said:

Lee Kuan Yew once said, "China can draw on the talents of 1.3 billion people. The U.S. can draw on the talents of 7 billion people."

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Well then the US is moving really really slow for a country drawing on the talents of 7 billion people compared to China's 1.3 billion nationals. Looks like Chinese are the best at science, and certainly more loyal to China than your average bribed foreigner is to the US.

King Leonidas once said, "You have many slaves but few warriors."

gadgetcool5 said:

The U.S. openness to immigration of STEM Ph.D's and diverse society is its strength.

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US reliance on foreigners who identify only with goods rather than national loyalty is its weakness.

gadgetcool5 said:

Lee Kuan Yew once said, "China can draw on the talents of 1.3 billion people. The U.S. can draw on the talents of 7 billion people."

The U.S. openness to immigration of STEM Ph.D's and diverse society is its strength.

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If so how come the US don't have their own 5G system and always felt threaten by China? With all this anti-Asian and violence going on many of these Asian STEM Ph.D's will soon leave and left America with a bunch of fat and entitled white supremacists "patriots" without a clue as to how math and science works.

gadgetcool5 said:

Lee Kuan Yew once said, "China can draw on the talents of 1.3 billion people. The U.S. can draw on the talents of 7 billion people."

The U.S. openness to immigration of STEM Ph.D's and diverse society is its strength.

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@gadgetcool5 Yes so true, but they disenfranchised most of them (the Chinese, Iranians ,Russians and maybe some Pakistanis)...LOL, and good luck with the Indians, hope @localizer can explain more since he had experience working with them.

The US is a powder keg with this experiment of melting pot. See how effective Indian "chaos democracy "is doing... that may be the US soon too. Some anglo may hate the rise of China, but just as many hate the thought of becoming the minority in their own country too.

ansy1968 said:

@gadgetcool5 Yes so true, but they disenfranchised most of them (the Chinese, Iranians ,Russians and maybe some Pakistanis)...LOL, and good luck with the Indians, hope @localizer can explain more since he had experience working with them.

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What gtroll failed to mention is that LKY specified prerequisites for US dominance.

1. Keeping US national debt under control, which it has failed to do.

2. Continuing and expanding an immigration friendly policy. Even liberals are against this due to wanting to keep their derbs.

He specifically pointed out that US dominance in the pacific is dependent on US government debt burden. He met with Obama to tackle this issue because he had a feeling US won’t make it.

Lastly, LKY mentioned that the 21th century likely belongs to Asia due to the bulk of talent being concentrated there. And the global economy becoming centered in Asia.