Possible, but they probably not sure hence try to be as vague as possible.
Japanese famous for its fine precision stepper motor, I could see China use those.
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Japanese famous for its fine precision stepper motor, I could see China use those.
Another thing may need from japanese is custom manufacturing of the lens which requires high degree of precision. I am not sure how advanced China manufacturing capibility on this.
But whatever China needed from Japan can also get from Germany. And both contain no US tech when provided the products and services needed from China
Hendrik_2000
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I could see China still use Japanese precision servo motor but Optic? They have been making good optic in camera like seagull since 1960's, High power telescope, consumer optic. come on read WTAN spec description
This Machine as far as i know is fully Chinese made.
All the main components of the machine are made by local companies.
Optics - Guowang Optics
Immersion System - Qier
Dual Stage Workbench - Huazhou
Light Source - Keyi Hongyuan
ASML is still not allowed to sell its latest DUVL NXT2000i to China so its unlikely any foreign company will be allowed to sell any parts for a Chinese made Lithograph.
What I mean is generic parts that not necessarily geared toward lithography. Chinese suppliers could use those generic parts.
Lithography lens are much powerful than camera and telescope lens. China could manufacture themselves. But it's possible that they send out parts for custom manufacturing and processing.
The optics are custom designed specifically for this system and cannot get from Japanese vendors.
Toms Hardware is unreliable as a news site. It is an enthusiast's website. The people working there are typically not experts. For something like this you are better off reading something like EETimes which is a hardware trade industry publication.
South Korea & Taiwan are no allies of China and under US influence. China priority is self sufficiency. So China is progressing. Competition with Samsung or TSMC is irrelevant.
Anyone can be self sufficient. You can be self sufficient with sticks and stones. China can go back to the 8088 clone and be self sufficient.
But it means nothing if you are not as good or better than the best.Samsung and TSMC really are Asian companies whose economies are more tied to China than the US in the long run.
I think too much has been said about this whole government to government friendship/ties or economic dependence thing... plus we have realise the way these countries are run as well as the fact that these companies are private companies... we can argue about the influence or % ownership of the government etc but ultimately Samsung and TSMC are private companies that must look after their own businesses and shareholders... Samsung has a huge amount to lose and most of all they don’t have a domestic market that can pick up the slack and giving up the market of rest of the world for the Chinese market alone isn’t exactly a great option either... while TSMC is pretty much the only high-end chip provider with high capacity in the whole world... their businesses are not in jeopardy, at least for now, even if they don’t do business with Chinese chip designers...Anyone can be self sufficient. You can be self sufficient with sticks and stones. China can go back to the 8088 clone and be self sufficient.
Samsung and TSMC really are Asian companies whose economies are more tied to China than the US in the long run.
The point is, it’s going to hurt China for a while but it only means China will end up with a more robust semiconductor sector and be stronger for it, as we have been discussing this for quite some time... we can already see steps being taken ensure short term supply while forging ahead for the future... its only a matter time and I don’t think it’s any where near as pessimistic as the west like to present the situation to be, at least if Biden wants more money to go to the US then at least letting Qualcomm do business with Huawei and other Chinese companies is pretty much a must and who knows someone might just convince him that by allowing google to provide Android services again they might be able to kill HMS... we will just have to see what the future holds...
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The US's most advanced nuclear warhead, the W88, was designed on an Apple IIe not a supercomputer. And the US should've won the Vietnam War since it has the best most advanced technology. Does every piece of technology the US has have a supercomputer in it?
Actually, China is ahead of Taiwan and South Korea in EUV and DUV lithography. Soon will see spring up of supply chain in those areas in China that will be envy for Taiwan and South Korea.Anyone can be self sufficient. You can be self sufficient with sticks and stones. China can go back to the 8088 clone and be self sufficient.
Samsung and TSMC really are Asian companies whose economies are more tied to China than the US in the long run.
The above two are only end users and had to pay premium for those equipments.
China can set itself free with lower cost and restrictions
US is determines to steal TSMC and Samsung know-how by forcing it them setup advanced fabs in US. US will eventually master the 5nm, 3nm tech from those two.
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