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horse

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Huawei isn't "going out" with a bang.
Well, you know, that's just all marketing.

Once they said there could be a shortage of the phone because of the chips being restricted, the price of used Huawei phones started going up. There obviously the custom made marketing plan.


Going out with a bang!

Found some extra phones in inventory!

Could have special limited edition release!

Special IoT phone with medium end chips to compliment the home!

A new deal with the previous chip!

The come back story!


Just watch Uncle Sam more and more angrier with each marketing promotion!!!

:D
 

ansy1968

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Huawei isn't "going out" with a bang. The skill-set and knowledge base is already here, and with the Chinese market's size and scope, together with a still booming economy, China will leave the rest of the world in its wake in technology by 2025.

Mind you, Huawei isn't the only company of such magnitude in China, the whole techno-spectrum is represented in China, we have Nio, Xpeng in electric vehicles, DJI in drones, SMIC/SMEE in semi-conductors, Ant Group, Tencent, etc.

They all compete and compliment each other. These 5 years are going to be epic!
Hi Shaolian,

" NEWS OF MY DEATH IS GREATLY EXAGGERATED" is the mantra of Huawei, These 5 years are going to be epic!, cant wait for it to happen......... :cool:. A sample of things to come.....JIAYOU Huawei!!!!!

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Huawei sales revenue up 9.9% year-on-year to 671.3 billion yuan in first three quarters
2020-10-23 12:05:14 GMT+8 | cnTechPost
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Huawei sales revenue up 9.9% year-on-year to 671.3 billion yuan in first three quarters-cnTechPost

For the first three quarters of 2020, Huawei achieved sales revenue of 671.3 billion yuan, up 9.9 percent year-on-year, with a net profit margin of 8.0 percent, the company said today, adding this result was largely in line with expectations.
With the world facing the severe challenges of Covid-19, Huawei's global supply chain system is simultaneously facing tremendous external pressures, which has caused a lot of difficulties in production and operations, Huawei said, adding that it will, however, do its best to find solutions in an effort to survive and move forward, and is committed to fulfilling its obligations with customers and suppliers.

"In the next phase, we will leverage Huawei's capabilities in AI, cloud, 5G, computing and other ICT technologies to unite partners to provide scenario-based solutions, develop industry applications and unlock 5G network dividends," the company said.
Huawei's first-half results released in the interbank market on Aug. 28 showed that Huawei achieved a total operating revenue of RMB 45.7 billion, up 13.67 percent year-on-year, and a net profit of RMB 43.1 billion, up 23.49 percent year-on-year.

According to Huawei's unaudited financial information, in the first half of 2019, Huawei achieved a total sales revenue of RMB 401.3 billion, up 23.2% year-on-year, and a net profit margin of 8.7%. The net profit was not announced at that time.
Thus, compared to the previous year, Huawei's revenue and net profit still maintained a more solid growth trend.

By quarter, Huawei's revenue was 180.6 billion yuan, up 2% year-on-year, while net profit was 13.347 billion yuan, down 7.57% year-on-year.
However, entering the second quarter, the second quarter profitability rapidly improved, operating income of 270.1 billion yuan, an increase of 49.55%, and net profit of 29.753 billion yuan, an increase of 122.91%.
 

ansy1968

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A sample of foreign tech company helping China to develop its EV industry, the CCP based its decision on overall benefit of its economic, its not an emotion based decision. They only use sanction as a last resort and if they do ,its hard hitting and targeted sector that had limited repercussion to its economy.

Here they open up and allow 100% full foreign ownership to spur the local to innovate and to compete, at the same time establishing domestic supply chain to flourished.

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Teslas 100% made in China? That possibility grows more realistic
2020-10-22 18:51:10 GMT+8 | cnTechPost
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Teslas 100% made in China? That possibility grows more realistic-cnTechPost

The price of the China-made Tesla Model 3 keeps getting lower as it adopts more local parts, especially the battery. Now there are reports that Tesla may even use China-made motors and the possibility of Teslas 100% made in China grows more realistic.
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, word circulated at the recent Beijing International Automotive Exhibition that the Model 3 will adopt a China-made motor in addition to a battery.

A number of Chinese companies are regarded as capable of supplying motors to Tesla. One candidate is Suzhou Inovance Automotive, which according to a securities house analysis has already supplied motors to emerging Chinese electric vehicle makers such as WM Motor and Li Auto. Starting with Tesla, Inovance is set to add major foreign EV producers to its customer list, the Nikkei report said.
Tesla has already adopted batteries produced by Contemporary Amperex Technology (CATL), China's largest automotive lithium-ion battery maker.
Chinese companies are emerging as suppliers of not only batteries but also other components for electric vehicles.

A Chinese research firm reported that Zhejiang Sanhua Intelligent Controls, a maker of heat-control parts for electric vehicles, has Tesla, Volkswagen and General Motors on its customer list. In addition, Xiamen Hongfa Electroacoustic, which manufacturers electronic parts for EVs, is already doing business with Tesla, VW and Daimler, Nikkei noted.

On October 1, the China-made Tesla Model 3 began a new round of price cuts: the Model 3 with a standard driving range is adjusted to RMB 249,900 ($36,800) after subsidies, while the one with a longer range follows with a price cut to RMB 309,900 yuan. And it's only been five months since the last price cut.
According to Ping An Securities, considering the gross margin of the product and the positioning of the model, RMB 200,000 could be the bottom line for the China-made Model 3, and another price cut is expected in the first half of next year.
Ping An Securities expects Model 3 average gross margins to be around 20% in 2019, with an average cost per unit of around $38,400.

A cost breakout of the 2019 Model 3 produced in the US, based on financial data from key suppliers, industry data, and other publicly available information, is expected to have an average unit BOM cost of approximately $31,400, or approximately 82% of the total cost.
Ping An Securities forecasts each of the China-made Model 3 cost breakdown items separately by model and by China-made parts adoption rate.
Compared to the US plant, the Shanghai plant has a greater cost advantage over the US plant in terms of raw materials, labor, and depreciation, in addition to higher energy and logistics costs.

With the increase in the proportion of China-made parts, there is still room for China-made Model 3 prices to decline on the basis of ensuring reasonable profits, Ping An said.
 

ansy1968

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Hi WTAM

Huawei need to move fast regarding their FABS, their chip stockpile is enough until next year, Hope they can able to produced their 7nm chip by year 2022?

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TSMC reportedly helped Huawei stockpile 2 million 5G base station chips, enough for use next year
2020-10-23 17:30:12 GMT+8 | cnTechPost
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TSMC reportedly helped Huawei stockpile 2 million 5G base station chips, enough for use next year-cnTechPost

Huawei had been stockpiling 5G base station core chips for months ahead of the US ban deadline, ensuring availability at least through 2021, Bloomberg reported today.
The report cited sources close to TSMC as saying that the chip maker began expanding production of Huawei's 5G base station core communications chipset "Tiangang" from late 2019.

Before the US ban went into effect in September, TSMC delivered more than 2 million 7 nm Tiangang chips at Huawei's request. The order was so large that at one point TSMC executives questioned whether they had underestimated the global demand for 5G, according to the report.

On January 24, 2019, Huawei unveiled the world's first 5G base station core chip, the Huawei Tiangang, at a 5G product launch event.
The report said that Huawei has informed China's three major operators that its components can still support base station construction in 2021 and beyond, despite the sanctions. Huawei has been shipping 5G base stations that don't use US technology since at least the end of last year.
 

hashtagpls

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Why couldn't TSMC have helped Huawei, themselves and China by not agreeing to become a part of the US' tech war? Even if TSMC were ratfucked and lied to by Trump/Pompeo/Pottinger (far more likely), they should have foreseen something like this, or provided assurances to Huawei/PRC that they wouldn't fuck with the chips.
 

ansy1968

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Why couldn't TSMC have helped Huawei, themselves and China by not agreeing to become a part of the US' tech war? Even if TSMC were ratfucked and lied to by Trump/Pompeo/Pottinger (far more likely), they should have foreseen something like this, or provided assurances to Huawei/PRC that they wouldn't fuck with the chips.
Hi hashtagpls,

They had by taking this huge order, they value HW (no 1 customer) so much that they allocate a lot of their production time to meet the demand, the problem my man is politics. TW politician think they can leverage the US, instead its the other way around, so they were played and the casualty will be TSMC, its crown possession sold down the drain. :(
 

hashtagpls

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Hi hashtagpls,

They had by taking this huge order, they value HW (no 1 customer) so much that they allocate a lot of their production time to meet the demand, the problem my man is politics. TW politician think they can leverage the US, instead its the other way around, so they were played and the casualty will be TSMC, its crown possession sold down the drain. :(

Perhaps this was also by design; since if TSMC goes bankrupt or gets into dire straits, it'll be US vulture funds looking to swoop in and buy it out, much as US funds did to Samsung back in '97.
 
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