Chinese Military Exports (Land Systems)

Brainsuker

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Yeah, and what happens if they don't properly maintain it after firing so many rounds? Like I said we don't know what happened

It could be any 125mm smoothbore ammo. It might be Norinco, but we don't know. Stop with all the speculations because it could literally be anything.

If China stay quiet and Norinco act ignorant, yes, people will think that Chinese's military weapon are junk. Norinco must send their engineers to Thailand and investigate the problem, and fix this VT-4 ASAP. This act can become an effective anti western propaganda. If this VT-4 can work again in just some days of fixing, it will boast China's narrative. But if China stay quiet and Norinco doesn't do anything, it will become a bad problem. If Norinco stay quiet, Chinese government must investigate Norinco's management and bring those Corruptors to justice. But it will cause a lot of turmoil. The best choice is to send Norinco Engineers to Thailand, and publish their effort to fix VT-4.
 

siegecrossbow

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If China stay quiet and Norinco act ignorant, yes, people will think that Chinese's military weapon are junk. Norinco must send their engineers to Thailand and investigate the problem, and fix this VT-4 ASAP. This act can become an effective anti western propaganda. If this VT-4 can work again in just some days of fixing, it will boast China's narrative. But if China stay quiet and Norinco doesn't do anything, it will become a bad problem. If Norinco stay quiet, Chinese government must investigate Norinco's management and bring those Corruptors to justice. But it will cause a lot of turmoil. The best choice is to send Norinco Engineers to Thailand, and publish their effort to fix VT-4.

If you think Western media will report positively because of what Norinco does then I’d have a bridge to sell to you. On this very forum an editor on a major naval news site have not issued an apology for falsely claiming that 052D has not water proof doors even after being confronted with video/photo evidence three years prior.
 

PLAN Otaku

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I don't know what is there to argue about Chinese export weapons. If you pay junk price, China will sell junk quality to you. The motto is that China has something to sell to you depending on how much you can pay. I think China, maybe until recently, simply do not care about the reputation of its export weapons as long as they make money.
Also from day one, we already knew the the Thai VT4 are low configuration compared with Pakistan ones. It is no wonder they chose a 80s cannon for its main gun to keep price down.
 

PLAN Otaku

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If China stay quiet and Norinco act ignorant, yes, people will think that Chinese's military weapon are junk. Norinco must send their engineers to Thailand and investigate the problem, and fix this VT-4 ASAP. This act can become an effective anti western propaganda. If this VT-4 can work again in just some days of fixing, it will boast China's narrative. But if China stay quiet and Norinco doesn't do anything, it will become a bad problem. If Norinco stay quiet, Chinese government must investigate Norinco's management and bring those Corruptors to justice. But it will cause a lot of turmoil. The best choice is to send Norinco Engineers to Thailand, and publish their effort to fix VT-4.
Did Norinco come out to clarify reports that Nigerian VT4 require 30 minutes to open fire?
 

ohan_qwe

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Of course, but you have to blame China for this. Because China give the Western Media a topic that they can use to discredit China in their propaganda machine. The war between Pakistan and India helped China a lot and boost China's prestige in military prowess. But this VT-4 really give the West a topic to make China looks weak, and a paper tiger. All China propaganda machines effort to improve their military image suddenly wasted. And the implication? It will boast Japan and Philippine the narrative that China is weak. Suddenly all China's gunboat diplomacy effort will toothless. Because people won't be afraid anymore. as China's weapons are junk. Unless China invade them for real, nobody afraid to China. They will say that China is coward and afraid of a real war. Because their weapons are junk.

This is bad. China need to do something to repair this bad news, quickly. Either by sending Norinco engineers to Thailand to see the problem, and to repair the tank on site, to show that the problem is minor and VT-4 is actually durable like Western tank, or to fire Norinco bosses for corruption. If China stay quiet, it will become a bad propaganda for PLA as a whole. Not only because Norinco weapons are junk, but Norinco after sales service is a non existence. Also people will think that this VT-4 is the reality of PLA military hardware quality.
It's a good thing to be underestimated in war. Makes it much easier to suprise your enemy. Thai can have whatever opinion they want.
 

Brainsuker

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If you think Western media will report positively because of what Norinco does then I’d have a bridge to sell to you. On this very forum an editor on a major naval news site have not issued an apology for falsely claiming that 052D has not water proof doors even after being confronted with video/photo evidence three years prior.

Well, as long as they don't have something to brew from a real event, those report would be considered as bad mouthing. But now they have an evidence and proof. And this can punch China's propaganda effort in the belly. For one, it can affect Taiwan, Japan, and Philippine people. Previously, they would amazed by China's military technology, and thus raise the effectiveness of China's gunboat diplomacy. People who think that China's military hardware is powerful will think that opposing China is bad. But now, with VT-4 incident, the west can brew a propaganda that make those people to think that there is nothing to afraid about China. And thus, make Taiwan, Japan, and Philippine anti China rhetoric fiercer. If China don't fix this, sooner or later, nobody afraid to China, except if China attack them for real.
 
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