Baseball cap, t-shirt and smart watch while filming themselves in a tank during a war... Feels like a cashed up militia rather than a real military. They are lucky the opposition is equally incompetent.
Chinese Military Exports (Land Systems)
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Well, I'd like to know more about the 'proper' maintenance of the main gun, since it's tentatively the problematic piece.
Sure, the other option is most likely Ukrainian, since Thailand also have BM Oplot that uses 125mm.
We'll just have to ask and see if the crew will tell us who made the ammo, based on the manufacturer's markings.
I mean, the whole reason there's so much speculation is because the photo of the accident looks really ugly. Let's review the supposed photo.
From the photo, the 125mm gun doesn't just have its barrel going banana peel, the whole thing looks dislodged from its trunnion, with significant discolouring around the trunnion area.
Unless the reason is because the crew & recovery team removed the whole gun for replacement after the accident, that meant there's a significant explosion that took the gun off its mountings.
The ERA on the hull & the turret seems intact, so I think we can discount the probability of the tank taking a hit.
That leaves 2 possible issue, either the barrel burst from overuse/blockage, or the ammo malfunctioned and exploded while in the barrel. Unless the crew is really unlucky and happened to fire a malfunctioning round, the focus will be on the gun and its usage.
I'd say the main questions I have are:
- Did they exceed the barrel life round count?
- Is there a firing rate limit after a period of high intensity firing, the same way 155mm Artillery have fire rate limit?
- If there's any firing rate limit, was it disclosed in the technical & training documents?
Ironically the Thai paid 5M per unit for their VT-4s, by no means "junk price".
I bet if indeed 200 rounds were fired in a short period. It means the opposite, the brrael is very good.
A 500-round life cycle won't sustain 50 rounds rapid fire, let alone 100 or 200.
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How many fault pieces in Ukraine war? 10 US fighter jets dropped from sky this year, including a few F35, seems none gave any fuss.
Clam down people.
A 500-round life cycle won't sustain 50 rounds rapid fire, let alone 100 or 200.
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How many fault pieces in Ukraine war? 10 US fighter jets dropped from sky this year, including a few F35, seems none gave any fuss.
Clam down people.
So, my country is incredibly stingy. They pay money to buy cost-reduced products, which are already derived from other cost-reduced products, and then use them heavily within just a few days. That make sense
Even China's PLAGF is given less attention than the other branches of the military. Exports of Land Systems are probably no different.
This incident resulted from cheaping out by Thailand and Norinco.
Even China's PLAGF is given less attention than the other branches of the military. Exports of Land Systems are probably no different.
This incident resulted from cheaping out by Thailand and Norinco.
No, it is you who reads too much into some random dude's deranged post.
Look at one post below would cheer you up. Free sample of GAM-102LR, also from China.
Let's stay calm about these public opinions. In recent years, U.S. F-16s, F-18s, F-35s, and various drones have crashed numerous times, yet I haven't seen many people dismiss the U.S. military as a paper tiger. Similarly, the downing of Rafales and Su-30s by J-10Cs doesn't affect our objective assessment of these aircraft's performance. Regarding the tank barrel explosion incident, we should await the subsequent investigation report before making judgments. The recent backlash in public opinion stems from years of Western propaganda.
Can we even be sure the tank didn't take a hit from an FPV or bomb drone, and the gun was hit and had to be replaced?
What is the likelihood that the ammunition was not faulty but cooked off from being loaded into an overheated breech since the crew did admit they were involved in high intensity operations for the past few days? Do manufacturer stated lifespan account for near continuous firing over a few hours?