Chinese Hypersonic Developments (HGVs/HCMs)

Tyler

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Can we stop citing anything from EXPRESS.CO.UK (aka Daily Express)??
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Comments: Sensationalist jingoism, fascist propaganda rag, unfit as toilet paper, constant fact-free propaganda, and fake news.
China should pay just aa couple million $ more to retain these scientists. It does not really take much to keep these people in the country.
 

Hyper

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Can we stop citing anything from EXPRESS.CO.UK (aka Daily Express)??
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You could have just said " Daily Express" instead of the rant and you would still have made a point.
 

taxiya

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Just my experience in a company developing large complex system.
  1. We in a subsystem team very often question the seemingly unwise or even stupid code or algrithem from other department or teams.
  2. We even wonder if those stupidity is deliberately done in order to keep the secret from being leaked when employee jumped to competitors.
  3. Some of these crazy mess may be due to inexperienced developers.
  4. We also often joked that these messy work could also be the act of people trying to keep the knowledge and competence within so it would be difficult to move the work away, a way to keep their job from laying off.
The effect is that if a person taking a chunk of code or sub-component to the competitor, the knowledge may be misleading even to the point of counter productive, wasting the time of competitor to know the right thing than saving them.

Now let's apply these experiences to the case of "defection" if it really happened. The person is in the 30s and not outstanding in his work, at best he is in possession of these confusing mess. It probably would take the US and UK more time in deciphering these junk than doing their own research without it.

Reverse engineering isn't easy, and if often useless. Just like China's advancement is not really based on reverse engineering as the west is trying to advocate, reverse engineering isn't going to help the west either.
 

Ringsword

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Just my experience in a company developing large complex system.
  1. We in a subsystem team very often question the seemingly unwise or even stupid code or algrithem from other department or teams.
  2. We even wonder if those stupidity is deliberately done in order to keep the secret from being leaked when employee jumped to competitors.
  3. Some of these crazy mess may be due to inexperienced developers.
  4. We also often joked that these messy work could also be the act of people trying to keep the knowledge and competence within so it would be difficult to move the work away, a way to keep their job from laying off.
The effect is that if a person taking a chunk of code or sub-component to the competitor, the knowledge may be misleading even to the point of counter productive, wasting the time of competitor to know the right thing than saving them.

Now let's apply these experiences to the case of "defection" if it really happened. The person is in the 30s and not outstanding in his work, at best he is in possession of these confusing mess. It probably would take the US and UK more time in deciphering these junk than doing their own research without it.

Reverse engineering isn't easy, and if often useless. Just like China's advancement is not really based on reverse engineering as the west is trying to advocate, reverse engineering isn't going to help the west either.
This whole "defection" episode just reeks of typical Indian make believe fantasy from the cricket loving scientist to the other stupid details.India has not been included in the recent P5 joint statement about nuclear war,details of indian economic troubles.even NK supposedly has hypersonic tech-where does that leave india?nowhere.tTypical crap spouted by Wion,crux etc to fool themselves and smear China with their cyber-excrement.
 

drowingfish

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Could be true as part of spy games. There were tons of mutual defections between USSR and US happening all the time during the Cold War. I only feel bad for the scientists family in China, as they are now on the MPS' watch list, which could seriously hinder their career advancements should they choose to pursue employment in civil service, particularly the national security field.

However, the DF-17 had been in service since 2018-2019, and China has clearly working on more advanced hypersonic gliders. By the time the US military comes up with something similar (say the US Army's Dark Eagle LRHM platform with a DF-17 type glider), the PLARF and PLAAF would most likely have commissioned its 2nd generation hypersonic weapon. The PLAN is also working working on a mini-DF-17 that could in inserted into the 055 and 052D's VLS, based on what I have heard. If these VLS-capable mini hypersonics have ranges greater than 1,000km, they would be a nightmare for the US and its allies.
lmao i think you are the only one here to believe this crap.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
You know why this story isn't true? It's admitting the West needs to steal China's hypersonic technology because they can't do it themselves. First they claim China got hypersonic technology from US concepts. Now they need Chinese for help...? If it did happen, they wouldn't admit to it. It sounds like Indian logic because they come from a place of being far behind. For them it would be a coup.
 

Ringsword

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You know why this story isn't true? It's admitting the West needs to steal China's hypersonic technology because they can't do it themselves. First they claim China got hypersonic technology from US concepts. Now they need Chinese for help...? If it did happen, they wouldn't admit to it. It sounds like Indian logic because they come from a place of being far behind. For them it would be a coup.
Also the Chinese like Russians and even Americans(Los Alamos WW2 atomic research) built entire communities housing the scientists,technicians,military/suport staff etc so that the freedom of movement/security can easily be controlled with all the needs of the people there completely catered to.Cricket,single malt lager ale (?),what next ?long walks on the beach and looking at sunsets sipping Johnny Walker cocktails-pure excrement from those Gangetic idiots.
 

ChongqingHotPot92

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You know why this story isn't true? It's admitting the West needs to steal China's hypersonic technology because they can't do it themselves. First they claim China got hypersonic technology from US concepts. Now they need Chinese for help...? If it did happen, they wouldn't admit to it. It sounds like Indian logic because they come from a place of being far behind. For them it would be a coup.
Well both China and Russia are indeed at least a generation ahead of the US in terms of hypersonic warheads and gliders. China is also testing new ones with smarter sensor fusion and more advance propulsion. I would not be surprised if it were Washington's turn to steal from China. It is international politics. Espionage against adversaries' military technologies is daily business.
 

drowingfish

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Well both China and Russia are indeed at least a generation ahead of the US in terms of hypersonic warheads and gliders. China is also testing new ones with smarter sensor fusion and more advance propulsion. I would not be surprised if it were Washington's turn to steal from China. It is international politics. Espionage against adversaries' military technologies is daily business.
so you do believe that there is a rocket scientist in china that loves cricket? XDXDXD
 
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