Yeah I’m not sure what to believe at this point.
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Chinese Engine Development
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If you have insider knowledge on Chinese engine development, do you have any particular details about specs or component technologies related to the WS-15? I’m curious what you think or may know about things like how many stages its high pressure compressor will have or what the pressure ratio of the HPC will be, what kinds of materials it uses for different sections or stages of the engine, etc.nope.
this is the biggest misconception regarding CJ-1000A components. this news appeared in 2011-12, they were planning to collaborate with western firms for core components but project didn't materialized. i tell you the history and you will understand.
CJ-1000 name appeared = 2009
CJ-1000 team planning to collaborate with western firms for components = 2011-12
but deal didn't go through. after 4 years of planning and research, COMAC found AECC in 2016 and engine project officially approved in 2017. core machine ignited and first porotype appeared in 2018. all major components produced by Chinese firms/institutes.
the time period between 2012-2018 was basically for time given to major Chinese suppliers. compressor , combustion chamber , turbine each and every major component produced in mainland by Chinese origin firms and some universities involved too
46 major suppliers are involved in CJ-1000 engine and all are based in mainland. same suppliers are providing the parts to CJ-2000 engine.
i know the name of each and every firm/institute and even the names of team leader LOOL. but can't post the details. sorry
Yeah I’m not sure what to believe at this point.
We probably won't know the precise figures for a long time.
But we can be pretty sure that China has come a very long way in military aircraft engines. The progress is across the board and foundational. That is, they have made strides in design, materials and gained tremendous operating experiences, given how many WS-10s have been produced and in service by now. A lot of things about aircraft engines are still empirical and experience-based. As the article said, Taihang or WS-10 has been 40 years under development and iterations. I still recall that sense of hopelessness about WS-10 and Chinese aircraft engines in general back around 2010. It feels quite differently these days.
So, even if much of the article is speculative and based on indirect evidence, the trajectory of the development is more or less credible.
Even the tone from Western msm is different now, WS10 is now regarded aa a peer instead of a ridiculed product.We probably won't know the precise figures for a long time.
But we can be pretty sure that China has come a very long way in military aircraft engines. The progress is across the board and foundational. That is, they have made strides in design, materials and gained tremendous operating experiences, given how many WS-10s have been produced and in service by now. A lot of things about aircraft engines are still empirical and experience-based. As the article said, Taihang or WS-10 has been 40 years under development and iterations. I still recall that sense of hopelessness about WS-10 and Chinese aircraft engines in general back around 2010. It feels quite differently these days.
So, even if much of the article is speculative and based on indirect evidence, the trajectory of the development is more or less credible.
CCTV once revealed the thrust of ws-10b, that figure i believe is credible (Dry thrust : ~90kN, After-burner: 144 kN).We probably won't know the precise figures for a long time.
But we can be pretty sure that China has come a very long way in military aircraft engines. The progress is across the board and foundational. That is, they have made strides in design, materials and gained tremendous operating experiences, given how many WS-10s have been produced and in service by now. A lot of things about aircraft engines are still empirical and experience-based. As the article said, Taihang or WS-10 has been 40 years under development and iterations. I still recall that sense of hopelessness about WS-10 and Chinese aircraft engines in general back around 2010. It feels quite differently these days.
So, even if much of the article is speculative and based on indirect evidence, the trajectory of the development is more or less credible.
CCTV once revealed the thrust of ws-10b, that figure i believe is credible (Dry thrust : ~90kN, After-burner: 144 kN).
That is Shenzhen TV not CCTV.
The voice at 3:36 is by the news anchor WITHOUT PLAAF speaker's (Shen Jinke) voice with subtitle (as at 1:00). In other words, it is not what PLAAF saying, nor CCTV saying.
Also it looks strange that the voice is NOT integral part of the footage but added afterwards, you can see that half second delay between the lips movement and the voice.
I personally have seen 144kN long time ago on a placard, I don't doubt much about it. But the video clip as a proof is very suspicious.
Well, it's shared by PLAAF account.That is Shenzhen TV not CCTV.
The voice at 3:36 is by the news anchor WITHOUT PLAAF speaker's (Shen Jinke) voice with subtitle (as at 1:00). In other words, it is not what PLAAF saying, nor CCTV saying.
Also it looks strange that the voice is NOT integral part of the footage but added afterwards, you can see that half second delay between the lips movement and the voice.
I personally have seen 144kN long time ago on a placard, I don't doubt much about it. But the video clip as a proof is very suspicious.
That is true. Just like in the past two or three years we have seen 81's weibo account (MoD) using American weapons talking about PLA systems. That track record tells me that social media account affiliated to PLA is primarily social media (operated by civilian contractors) not official which to me means an active officer of the right rank and branch speaking in front camera of CCTV1 or AVIC putting up a spec. It is the same as not all CCTV channels or state owned newspapers are seriously official.Well, it's shared by PLAAF account.
You can't generalize all of them just because 81 acc was trash.That is true. Just like in the past two or three years we have seen 81's weibo account (MoD) using American weapons talking about PLA systems. That track record tells me that social media account affiliated to PLA is primarily social media (operated by civilian contractors) not official which to me means an active officer of the right rank and branch speaking in front camera of CCTV1 or AVIC putting up a spec. It is the same as not all CCTV channels or state owned newspapers are seriously official.