Chinese Engine Development

by78

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Am I reading this right? Does this mean CJ-2000 is a
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? If so, this is the first I've heard of it, or am I hopelessly uninformed about the project?

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近日,哈尔滨广瀚传动有限公司承担的中国商用发动机CJ2000项目的国产首台风扇驱动齿轮箱试验任务顺利完成。

风扇驱动齿轮箱具有传递功率大(20MW)、工作转速高(9000rpm)、功率密度高的特点,是新一代航空发动机动力系统的重要设备。自承接任务以来,公司领导科学规划、积极部署,成立专项团队,仅在一周之内就确定了机械功率封闭系统的加载器方案,并统筹推进,一次性获得成功,获得了用户的高度认可。

回顾项目执行的全过程,项目团队成员收获颇丰。一是创新是技术发展的内在动力。20MW机械功率封闭试验台,首次使用了无极变速的加载方式,突破了现有加载器的应用极限,有力的保证了项目的顺利完成。二是不断拓宽知识领域。丰富学识,提高技术水平,为创新的提升而不断积累。三是提振团队勇于创新的决心和信心。新技术领域取得突破,创新成果得到应用,这对研发人员至关重要,随着更多新技术的应用,公司的创新能力必将迈向新的台阶。

Harbin Guanghan Transmission Co., Ltd. successfully completed the test task of fan-driven gearbox for large aircraft​

Recently, Harbin Guanghan Transmission Co., Ltd. successfully completed the test task of the first domestically produced fan drive gearbox for the Chinese commercial engine CJ2000 project.

The fan drive gearbox has the characteristics of large transmission power (20MW), high operating speed (9000rpm), and high power density. It is an important equipment for the new generation of aero-engine power system. Since taking over the task, the company's leaders have scientifically planned, actively deployed, and established a special team. Within only one week, they have determined the loader plan for the mechanical power closed system, and made overall plans to achieve success at one time, which has been highly recognized by users.

Reviewing the whole process of project implementation, the project team members have gained a lot. First, innovation is the internal driving force of technological development. The 20MW mechanical power closed test bench uses the infinitely variable speed loading method for the first time, which breaks through the application limit of the existing loader and effectively guarantees the smooth completion of the project. The second is to continuously broaden the field of knowledge. Enrich knowledge, improve technical level, and continuously accumulate for the improvement of innovation. The third is to boost the determination and confidence of the team to be brave in innovation. It is very important for R&D personnel to make breakthroughs in the field of new technologies and apply innovative achievements. With the application of more new technologies, the company's innovation ability will surely reach a new level.


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by78

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According to the latest article by Yankee they are restarting engine development for L-15. Nothing like doing things at the last minute am I right?

I think this press blurb refers to the engine for L-15. Sharing it here for the record.

10月26日,洪都党委书记、董事长纪瑞东一行来访公司,并围绕产品质量改进、科研生产任务、供应需求计划等方面开展交流研讨。
On October 26, Ji Ruidong, Party Secretary and Chairman of the Board of Hongdu, visited the company (黎阳航空发动机公司/Liyang Engine) and conducted exchanges and discussions on product quality improvement, scientific research and production tasks, and supply and demand plans.
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Tirdent

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Well, it's a bit curious... 20MW is way too much for a conventional accessory gear box (well below 1MW typically), but at the same time it is also nowhere near enough for a CJ-2000 class gear driven fan. For a CJ-1000 class engine at ~140kN it would be *almost* good enough (more like 23 to 25MW), but for reference, UltraFan requires a shaft power of some 70MW for up to 440kN. Even if we scale that down some for a thrust of ~350kN, 20MW is clearly far off the required power level (UltraFan has been tested up to 64MW, AFAIK).

The Russian NK-93 prop fan at 180kN had a 36MW gearbox IIRC (but with its ultra-high BPR the shaft power requirement would've been greater than a conventional engine of the same thrust).

Perhaps a sub-scale proof-of-concept test??? If so, they clearly have a ways to go, though.
 

latenlazy

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Ok, thanks.
Well, it's a bit curious... 20MW is way too much for a conventional accessory gear box (well below 1MW typically), but at the same time it is also nowhere near enough for a CJ-2000 class gear driven fan. For a CJ-1000 class engine at ~140kN it would be *almost* good enough (more like 23 to 25MW), but for reference, UltraFan requires a shaft power of some 70MW for up to 440kN. Even if we scale that down some for a thrust of ~350kN, 20MW is clear far off the required power level (UltraFan has been tested up to 64MW, AFAIK).

The Russian NK-93 prop fan at 180kN had a 36MW gearbox IIRC (but with its ultra-high BPR the shaft power requirement would've been higher than a conventional engine of the same thrust).

Perhaps a sub-scale test??? If so, they clearly have a ways to go, though.
So after doing a bit of perusing of the term in Chinese I think I have to take back what I said. The term seems to show up exclusively in reference to geared fan engines.
 

Tirdent

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This is especially fascinating as I've been wondering for some time whether the Russian counterpart to the CJ-2000, the PD-35 might not turn out to be a GTF. It has, to my knowledge, never been stated to be one, but ever since the first specs were released, I was thrown off by the large 3.10m fan diameter. That's almost a foot larger than the GEnx and Trent 1000 and still 10cm bigger than the more powerful Trent 900, GP7200 and Trent XWB.

All these engines hover round the 9.0 to 10.0 BPR mark, so clearly UEC is shooting for more than that - but above 11.0 really necessitates a geared fan in practice. Fan tip speed, if coupled directly to LPT rpm, otherwise gets too high for noise requirements and the number of LPT stages grows so large that a gearbox with a small, high-speed LPT wins the weight race. But a 9% increase in fan size is worth more than 10% in BPR - that's about the same difference as the diameters of the PD-14 (BPR 8.5) and PW1400G (BPR 12+)! BPR is roughly related to area of course, so roughly proportional to the square of linear dimension.

Then, recently, photos of this PD-35 model were released, and it has a number of curious features about it:

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The nozzle and plug are conspicuously small in diameter (indicating a high-speed LPT de-coupled from the fan?) and there is this large circumferential gap forward of the LPT casing. Cooling air outlet for power gearbox heat rejection? Very intriguing developments with both engines for the CR929 here, in any case!
 

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Wonder if anyone can get access to this article. Caught my eye because it sounds like it might be related to the WS-15.

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I couldn't find a downloadable link, but here is one that you can read online. Please give a summary if you find anything revealing.

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