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And after the wave of bans in 2019 there’s no way they aren’t already working on supply chain hardening for the parts that have narrow range of substitutes.
I'm surprised there hasn't been an open source Chinese language accounting of the CJ-1000A supply chain
 

pipaster

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Is there any possibility of going over to the PD-14/purchasing MC-21s if in a bind?

In fact why haven't the Chinese carriers ordered a token number of MC-21s, even if just to show good will to Russia.
 

taxiya

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Is there any possibility of going over to the PD-14/purchasing MC-21s if in a bind?

In fact why haven't the Chinese carriers ordered a token number of MC-21s, even if just to show good will to Russia.
What is the purpose of buying MC-21? It is the same type of aircraft as C-919. China have no problem purchasing such type like A320. The sole purpose of C-919 is to be able to make it. How does a "good will" help to realize that purpose?

PD-14 is the same class as CJ-1000. Once again what is the point of buying PD-14 which itself is also under development? It may be a little bit ahead of CJ-1000 on the way, but the whole thing engine or aircraft is about building competence than assembling.

Lastly, why are there these "good will" thing, for what? Nothing is free and nothing should be free.
 

Xsizor

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Is there any possibility of going over to the PD-14/purchasing MC-21s if in a bind?

In fact why haven't the Chinese carriers ordered a token number of MC-21s, even if just to show good will to Russia.
Russians are welcome in setting up an aircraft manufacturing plant like Airbus and Boeing in China.
In order to sweeten their offerings, they may also assemble PD-14 in China. China welcomes everyone. Besides, I don't think Civil aviation is about showing good will. Ultimately it's about profitability of the civil airliners.
 

pipaster

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What is the purpose of buying MC-21? It is the same type of aircraft as C-919. China have no problem purchasing such type like A320. The sole purpose of C-919 is to be able to make it. How does a "good will" help to realize that purpose?

PD-14 is the same class as CJ-1000. Once again what is the point of buying PD-14 which itself is also under development? It may be a little bit ahead of CJ-1000 on the way, but the whole thing engine or aircraft is about building competence than assembling.

Lastly, why are there these "good will" thing, for what? Nothing is free and nothing should be free.
The good will is to support the Russian aviation industry, who will be the least likely to impose trade embargoes on China if things go further south in the relations with the West. In return you will get an aircraft that will be reasonably competitive. Giving Russia an industry will allow a more balanced trading relationship with Russia, and create an interest between the two parties.

You will also give Boeing and Airbus (and the government's that those aircraft are produced in) an indication that you can and will buy from UAC if an embargo is imposed. Look at the Iranian airliner industry for how that goes.

The C919 and CJ1000, should be given the time required to make them as competitive as possible. They should also be ordered in big numbers, which they have been.

Boeing should be cut off as much as possible, using sales to them as a carrot when needed.
 

taxiya

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The good will is to support the Russian aviation industry, who will be the least likely to impose trade embargoes on China if things go further south in the relations with the West. In return you will get an aircraft that will be reasonably competitive. Giving Russia an industry will allow a more balanced trading relationship with Russia, and create an interest between the two parties.

You will also give Boeing and Airbus (and the government's that those aircraft are produced in) an indication that you can and will buy from UAC if an embargo is imposed. Look at the Iranian airliner industry for how that goes.

The C919 and CJ1000, should be given the time required to make them as competitive as possible. They should also be ordered in big numbers, which they have been.

Boeing should be cut off as much as possible, using sales to them as a carrot when needed.
That is not "good will", it is ransom in different name. Look at the "good will" that China has paid to US, aka Boeing purchasing and treasury bond (toilet paper) in the past many decades. No amount of "good will" can build a real friendship. Such "good will" will only invite more robbery.

Interest in "mutual interest" is really interest, not donation or charity. A real good will from China is offering Russia to setup engine plant in China, and offering Chinese components to substitute western component in MC-21. BTW, MC-21 is also under sanction by the west, so it is in similar situation with C919. The good will applies both directions.

Boeing and Airbus will beg China to buy their aircraft. Iran's embargo is not what these two wanted, it is the US government. No amount of indication to these two can help anything.

Cutting off Boeing does not equate to buying MC-21, there is Airbus for a long time. A320 is much more reliable and matural than MC-21 which is at the same stage as C919.

Don't let your hatred of the west mess up China's interest. China and Russia's relationship is and should be built on realistic and materialistic interests rather than symbolic and emotional base.
 
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