Chinese Engine Development


Xsizor

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I recall that the EJ200 is heavily based off the design and base technologies of the Rolls Royce XG40. Manufacturing responsibilities are a different issue. Even if MTU somehow was entirely responsible and own 33% of the EJ200, they still cannot trade those specific 33% without agreement from the other partners.
Still...MTU has lots of experience regarding Gas Turbines and Engines in general. There could be something with them that caught the attention of China.
 

ougoah

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Still...MTU has lots of experience regarding Gas Turbines and Engines in general. There could be something with them that caught the attention of China.

No doubt China can still learn plenty from western turbofan manufacturers. I just don't think MTU can trade with China on anything EJ200 related. Maybe some peripheral technology related to a certain aspect of manufacturing for China's laser drilling technology.
 

Xsizor

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No doubt China can still learn plenty from western turbofan manufacturers. I just don't think MTU can trade with China on anything EJ200 related. Maybe some peripheral technology related to a certain aspect of manufacturing for China's laser drilling technology.
My memory seems to be ok. Maybe it's the Multivitamins doing the work.

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Article was 2 years ago.

Another researcher involved in the negotiations said the export of the blade processing machine would be part of wider jet engine collaboration between the two countries.

“We will buy something else from them in return,” he said. “It can be either hardware or technology. The Germans are very good at the design and engineering of compressors [which send fresh air into the combustion chamber].”
 

antiterror13

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My memory seems to be ok. Maybe it's the Multivitamins doing the work.

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Article was 2 years ago.

Another researcher involved in the negotiations said the export of the blade processing machine would be part of wider jet engine collaboration between the two countries.

“We will buy something else from them in return,” he said. “It can be either hardware or technology. The Germans are very good at the design and engineering of compressors [which send fresh air into the combustion chamber].”

What multivitamin brand? ;)
 

Xsizor

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What multivitamin brand? ;)
Bayer One a Day! Good supplement.


Unrelated to Military Powerplants but...

China seems to have worked out a Technology transfer from Japan's Mitsubishi Hitachi regarding H-25 Heavy Duty Gas turbines.
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According to media reports, on March 28, China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation Heavy Industry Co., Ltd. and Mitsubishi Hitachi Power System Co., Ltd. held a H-25 gas turbine technology transfer agreement.

These turbine tech may not see immediate use in Military Gas Turbines ( Marine propulsion) but could see use on Terrestrial Gas Turbines for Power stations.
But hopefully, there is technology spill into Military Domain.Chinese Institute 703 is in Charge of this.
R0110 Gas turbine series could see some improvements in efficiency/ processes with a good Civilian Heavy Duty GT base.
 
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aliaselin

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Bayer One a Day! Good supplement.


Unrelated to Military Powerplants but...

China seems to have worked out a Technology transfer from Japan's Mitsubishi Hitachi regarding H-25 Heavy Duty Gas turbines.
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According to media reports, on March 28, China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation Heavy Industry Co., Ltd. and Mitsubishi Hitachi Power System Co., Ltd. held a H-25 gas turbine technology transfer agreement.

These turbine tech may not see immediate use in Military Gas Turbines ( Marine propulsion) but could see use on Terrestrial Gas Turbines for Power stations.
But hopefully, there is technology spill into Military Domain.Chinese Institute 703 is in Charge of this.
R0110 Gas turbine series could see some improvements in efficiency/ processes with a good Civilian Heavy Duty GT base.
But R0110 is also a gas turbine for power station.
 

Xsizor

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But R0110 is also a gas turbine for power station.
Which power station uses R0110? I don't think R0110 will be considered for a power station as Efficiency, Maintainability matter much for power generation. The best F class Gas Turbines extract huge power and are greatly serviceable and efficient. As much as I appreciate the indigenous success of R0110, it isn't cutting edge in the fierce global GT market.

Things will change after infusion of technology from H-25 that has a proven record of efficiency and customer satisfaction.
 

aliaselin

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Which power station uses R0110? I don't think R0110 will be considered for a power station as Efficiency, Maintainability matter much for power generation. The best F class Gas Turbines extract huge power and are greatly serviceable and efficient. As much as I appreciate the indigenous success of R0110, it isn't cutting edge in the fierce global GT market.

Things will change after infusion of technology from H-25 that has a proven record of efficiency and customer satisfaction.
No matter if R0110 is used by power station or not, it is a gas turbine designed for power station, and a project by AVIC.

As to H25, it is only a project of CSOC, the major power station GT producers in China are Shanghai Electric Group, Dofang Electric Group and Harbin Electric Group . It has nothing to do with the mainstrain power station GT market. So is it technology important for CSOC? No, because CSOC's major business is not in power station GT. Is it important for China? No, because the government never relys on CSOC to suppply power station GT.
 

Xsizor

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No matter if R0110 is used by power station or not, it is a gas turbine designed for power station, and a project by AVIC.

As to H25, it is only a project of CSOC, the major power station GT producers in China are Shanghai Electric Group, Dofang Electric Group and Harbin Electric Group . It has nothing to do with the mainstrain power station GT market. So is it technology important for CSOC? No, because CSOC's major business is not in power station GT. Is it important for China? No, because the government never relys on CSOC to suppply power station GT.
Isn't the chinese Institute 703 in charge of this. Why do they need this Technology transfer agreement in the first place if they have achieved self sufficiency and competitiveness with R0110 ?
I think this transfer was important to China.
I'd like to know much more about this. Btw,
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explains in detail the exact necessity for procuring the H-25 technology.
 

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