Chinese Economics Thread

AndrewS

Brigadier
Registered Member
No doubt. Trump and the faceless powers want to totally decouple. That's going to hurt everyone but eventually China more. Most here doubt it'll happen at all so we'll see how the pieces fall.

In the short run, China would be hurt more.

But in the long run, that is not the case as China grows bigger than them.
 

Skywatcher

Captain
Hello, friends! Health to you and your families!

Friends, explain why the US leadership is directing so much negativity at China. The latest messages from Senator Graham are just idiotic.Why this bias? And tell me, what actions will China take in response to these unfriendly statements?

Senator Graham says things that could lead to war!


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Thousands of Americans sue China for coronavirus: companies demand $ 8 trillion in compensation

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Could this be a problem?

With respect to China from Russia! Thank you in advance for your response! Спасибо!
It's going to go no where in US courts (otherwise in twenty years time, some one like say Palau, would be able to sue us Americans over global climate change).
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
People should not get needlessly alarmist and attribute too much planning and forethought and high ideals to the current anti-China propaganda blitz being conducted by the Trump administration where none exist.

This isn’t the start of some elaborate multi-decade scheme, it’s just your home bargain blame-the-foreigners racist dog whistling that demagogues have always turned to in order to deflect criticism and whip up their base.

Trump absolutely shat the bed with his inept handling of COVID19, that will directly result in tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands or maybe even more Americans dying needlessly. He does not want to bare that responsibility, so he is re-writing history and shift the blame on China. It’s not that he fell asleep at the wheel and didn’t take any of the many steps he could have should have done to try and head this crisis off before it got started; or to control and contain it before it spread beyond all hope of control. No, it’s them sneaky secretive Chinese who ‘covered up’ the outbreak and didn’t do anything to try to stop it spreading to the rest of the world and who never ever warned anyone about just how dangerous this virus is.

The crudeness and sheer audacity of the propaganda campaign betrays the desperation behind it. It’s a message so crude and c even long time American allies like the British are censoring it from their own populations because they know there is no way their own people won’t see right through it.

Prominent US right leaders and personalities are directing people at ridiculously pointless activities like law suits against China because that is good displacement activity that will amount to precisely zero.

If people are busy screaming at China and drafting pointless law suits, they are not screaming at Trump or organising to oust him.

It only seems like the world is turning against China because the Trump administration is going for all out saturation to drive this propaganda campaign.

There are plenty of Americans who see right through it, but anti-China bias is so normalised in the US (which isn’t at all a recent development before anyone blames that on Trump, he amplified it, but it was always there) that even coming out to say the truth can and will be seen as ‘evidence’ of being a sell out to the CCP. So they all stay silent, because they are not Chinese, and hope they don’t belong to the next group the mobs comes for.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
People should not get needlessly alarmist and attribute too much planning and forethought and high ideals to the current anti-China propaganda blitz being conducted by the Trump administration where none exist.

This isn’t the start of some elaborate multi-decade scheme, it’s just your home bargain blame-the-foreigners racist dog whistling that demagogues have always turned to in order to deflect criticism and whip up their base.

Trump absolutely shat the bed with his inept handling of COVID19, that will directly result in tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands or maybe even more Americans dying needlessly. He does not want to bare that responsibility, so he is re-writing history and shift the blame on China. It’s not that he fell asleep at the wheel and didn’t take any of the many steps he could have should have done to try and head this crisis off before it got started; or to control and contain it before it spread beyond all hope of control. No, it’s them sneaky secretive Chinese who ‘covered up’ the outbreak and didn’t do anything to try to stop it spreading to the rest of the world and who never ever warned anyone about just how dangerous this virus is.

The crudeness and sheer audacity of the propaganda campaign betrays the desperation behind it. It’s a message so crude and c even long time American allies like the British are censoring it from their own populations because they know there is no way their own people won’t see right through it.

Prominent US right leaders and personalities are directing people at ridiculously pointless activities like law suits against China because that is good displacement activity that will amount to precisely zero.

If people are busy screaming at China and drafting pointless law suits, they are not screaming at Trump or organising to oust him.

It only seems like the world is turning against China because the Trump administration is going for all out saturation to drive this propaganda campaign.

There are plenty of Americans who see right through it, but anti-China bias is so normalised in the US (which isn’t at all a recent development before anyone blames that on Trump, he amplified it, but it was always there) that even coming out to say the truth can and will be seen as ‘evidence’ of being a sell out to the CCP. So they all stay silent, because they are not Chinese, and hope they don’t belong to the next group the mobs comes for.

Yup and here is an article that I posted earlier in the Covid-19 thread.

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drowingfish

Junior Member
Registered Member
I think this hatred has reached a new high and seems like it will continue to develop as western media aims at demonising China with renewed fervour. This I fear is going to result in reduced consumption of Chinese goods as competitive as they really are. I see sentimental feelings outweigh rational judgements when it comes to Chinese goods more and more. The Chinese product is head and shoulders better value and decent quality yet all comments and attitudes would be making corona virus puns. One can say these people were never going to buy anyway and those are do are the silent majority. Perhaps this is somewhat true but the initiative is working against China here i.e. it can only be worse rather than better than it seems.

As for moving up the value chain. Chinese electronics I buy at EVERY single opportunity but what chances have Huawei really got now for developing 5G outside China and the usual friendly nations? As opposed to Huawei deserving the 5G contracts for just about the entire world like Boeing and Airbus dominated commercial aviation. China is being blockaded from moving up the value chain while it's slowly losing low end manufacturing which I agree is leaving sooner or later as China's aging uneducated population largely retires and its younger workforce is comparatively educated, lower in numbers, and more productive overall. So basically the west is moving towards rejecting China, leaving it with trading nations that are not exactly brimming with wealth to spend.

How I see it is the US has failed to contain China's rise. It's failed to hold a clear and absolute edge in military terms so direct conflict which is its usual go to method is not an option. Decoupling through escalating trade wars is a better alternative to living with a China that eventually becomes as much of a high value player as Japan, except 10 times larger. The US could stifle Japan since it was largely a militarily dominated nation and had to kowtow to US policies like Plaza Accord. Can the US do similar to a CCP controlled nation that is 10 times the size of Japan, as developed, scientifically and technologically capable? Especially one that doesn't even like the USN sailing close to 1000 miles of it let alone have bases stationed within it.

Certainly it seems the US actually prefers western nations isolating themselves from China and while losing out on the huge Chinese market, they can cripple China by totally shutting off cooperation and trade where possible. On a scale it's never been able to do with 2019 trade policies.

If China can genuinely move up the value chain and remain competitive with the best through only access to developing world markets and its own domestic economy, then that's great. Having the rest of the world is better though. I hear China moving up but I don't see it. It's cars are rarely sold in the west. It's planes are only for Chinese and Russian airlines, its electronics have done decently especially telecom and computing but already that share has been threatened. You can't build an economy out of space launches and even there it's not like China is clearly more competitive than the other options. So where are the high value stuff we're going into that isn't being taken away or threatened? When I say threatened, I mean western propaganda being worked to get consumers and cooperative businesses to move away and reject Chinese ones.
doubt it. remember about 10 years ago there was accusations of Chinese products being poisonous? even that could not reverse consumption of those products.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Look good I guess a lot of China basher will be disappointed no gloom and doom
It also make sense the shut down only affect Wuhan and the surrounding area in Hubei But the rest of the country is not affected that much specially south of Yangzhe river the economic engine of the country
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supercat

Major
Hello, friends! Health to you and your families!

Friends, explain why the US leadership is directing so much negativity at China. The latest messages from Senator Graham are just idiotic.Why this bias? And tell me, what actions will China take in response to these unfriendly statements?

Senator Graham says things that could lead to war!


And such articles appear more and more often.

Thousands of Americans sue China for coronavirus: companies demand $ 8 trillion in compensation

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Could this be a problem?

With respect to China from Russia! Thank you in advance for your response! Спасибо!

No. State immunity protects China from lawsuits filed against it in foreign courts, while sovereign immunity protects it from lawsuits filed against it in its own courts.
 
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