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interestedseal

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1—10月份,规模以上工业企业利润同比增长1.9%,自今年8月份以来累计增速连续三个月保持增长。从三大门类看,1—10月份,采矿业下降27.8%,降幅较1—9月份收窄1.5个百分点;制造业增长7.7%;
Manufacturing firms profits up 7.7% yoy. Equipment and hi tech manufacturing profits up even higher. This does not correlate with the involution/profit-destroying narrative
 

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Manufacturing firms profits up 7.7% yoy. Equipment and hi tech manufacturing profits up even higher. This does not correlate with the involution/profit-destroying narrative
Looking at the economic data (
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), Manufacturing Investments are only growing at 2.7% - this is the anti-involution process working as intended.

Simple math - when demand growth > supply growth, prices go up. That the anti-involution process is working is actually confirmation that there was, indeed, involution.

Recall from
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要强化行业自律,防止“内卷式”恶性竞争。强化市场优胜劣汰机制,畅通落后低效产能退出渠道。

And recall from 12 months ago:
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siegecrossbow

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“What’s great for the Chinese people is to make the country less competitive.” Propagandists aren’t even trying any more. The reality is that all of these supposed solutions from Western think tanks are designed to be self serving, to transform China into a dependent colonial holding of the West and particularly its financial elites, like so many other countries.

The truth is that China would rather be more competitive than a better place for Western elites and their local collaborators to live. Of course a certain amount of rebalancing must and will happen but it will not be to benefit trade with the West.

If Europe wants China to buy their stuff, consider making something of actual value first.

They should just order participation trophies off Temu.
 

magmunta

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China collapse coming...........
not in this and the following decade though. After that, maybe due to the aging of the population. whether industrial robots can effectively substitute tens of millions of workers annually remains to be seen. It will be very hard for china to escape the middle income trap as population ages rapidly and exports are hindered by the USA and EU. Some american commentators have suggested that china will peak in the 2030s. Let's see what happens.
 

Nevermore

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China's technological capabilities will reach the world's highest standards within the next decade. Even under the worst-case scenario of losing its grip on low-to-mid-tier manufacturing, China will still command control over the world's most profitable high-tech industries. Per capita GDP holds limited significance; excessively high per capita GDP provides only marginal boosts to economic growth while incurring additional social costs. What truly matters is technological advancement itself and the redistribution of wealth.
 

manqiangrexue

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not in this and the following decade though. After that, maybe due to the aging of the population.
In this or next decade? LOL 20 years is not even one generation; there are Chinese people from the first generation with a very low fertility rate still in their 30's working at peak power. China has 1.4 billion people. If the US hasn't collapsed from a population of 300M, how long will it take China to get there?
whether industrial robots can effectively substitute tens of millions of workers annually remains to be seen.
If they are not substituted, China's higher tech manufacturing and working population will still outperform any other nation.
It will be very hard for china to escape the middle income trap as population ages rapidly and exports are hindered by the USA and EU.
What hindered? You flatter yourself. China's exports are growing regardless of what those 2 can muster up, and even before they harm China, they will tank their own economies... even further than now.
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Also, China is already at the high end of upper-middle income. It is literally knocking on the door to high income country as high income was defined in 2024 by the World Bank as having a per capital GNI over $14K and China was at $13.66K last year.
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And in case you were hopeful that Chinese GNI per capita is a stalled or barely growing metric, no it's not:
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Some american commentators have suggested that china will peak in the 2030s. Let's see what happens.
Some American commentators have suggested that China will collapse every year. 2030's doesn't even make sense; the first generation of low fertility people working thier hardest on thier careers, hyper-accelerating China's development at the expense of children will mostly be in their 40's. These are scientists, not physical laborers; scientists don't peak in their 40's, maybe in their 60's and up to their 80's sometimes. Don't get your hopes up.
 
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It will be very hard for china to escape the middle income trap as population ages rapidly and exports are hindered by the USA and EU.
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