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China's hidden debt problem
Despite robust growth, the world's third largest economy is potentially deeper in debt than originally thought.

BEIJING (Reuters) -- On the surface, China presents a fiscal study in contrast with the United States, keeping a remarkably low ceiling on debt even as it spends its way out of the financial crisis.

But when Chinese leaders meet their U.S. counterparts this week, they should pause for reflection before venting any criticism, because hidden liabilities mean China's books are uglier -- potentially much uglier -- than at first sight.

Thanks to successive years of fast economic growth and even faster government revenue growth, the official debt-to-GDP ratio was 17.7% at the end of last year, far lower than almost any other major economy.

The trouble is that excludes local government borrowing, the current surge in loans backstopped by Beijing and bad assets cleared from the banking system but still floating about.

When all are thrown into the pot, analysts estimate that China's debt may be closer to 60% of GDP, putting it in virtually the same league as the United States, which was at 70% at the end of 2008 before it launched its massive economic stimulus program.

To be sure, Washington is now set on a path of exploding debt that Beijing will largely avoid. The United States budgeted for a federal deficit of 12.9% of GDP this year, whereas China is aiming for just 2.9%.

But China's finances are deteriorating more quickly than the government expected, fueling a rise in the stock of both explicit and disguised debt that will constrict its wriggle room.

"It is serious because, one, much of it is hidden and, two, local governments are currently doubling down on their bets," said Stephen Green, economist at Standard Chartered Bank in Shanghai. "As with all fiscal deficits, it limits space for further stimulus."

This is probably a moot point, for now. With China's economy back on track and private-sector investment kicking in, few think Beijing will need to ramp up spending beyond its existing 4 trillion yuan ($585 billion), two-year stimulus plan. But the narrowing of options still discomfits Chinese leaders.

"Our fiscal work is very grim," Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao told officials last week.

Eroding finances
Government revenues declined 2.4% in the first half compared to a year earlier, well shy of the official goal of an 8% rise. Expenditures were ahead of target and set to surge in the second half on the back of infrastructure projects.

Tax intakes are, of course, closely tied to economic activity, so China's upturn should deliver cash to government coffers. But improvement in June came mainly from land sales, a one-off revenue source that masks the difficult road ahead.

"Even when we are already factoring in relatively optimistic revenue growth due to the economic recovery, the deficit is quite sticky at around 5 % per year for the next three years," said Isaac Meng, economist at BNP Paribas in Beijing.

But the real worry is the thickening morass of indirect debt.

Officials at the Ministry of Finance estimated earlier this year that local government debt already topped 4 trillion yuan, or 16.5% of GDP, much more than previously assumed.


Above and beyond that are 400 billion yuan in bad loans in banks' hands and at least 1 trillion yuan in non-performing debt hived off their books and assigned to asset management companies. The buck stops with Beijing on all of these.

The record surge in bank lending this year means that its sum of liabilities is about to swell in size.

Banks have showered money on infrastructure projects that are seen as having iron-clad government guarantees. Green said he "conservatively" estimates that Beijing's bill for covering loans issued this year alone will be 1.75 trillion yuan, enough to push its 2009 deficit to 10% of GDP.

"Debt bomb"
Most troublesome of all is the potential for a "debt bomb", in the words of China's Economic Observer newspaper, at lower levels of government as officials engage in financial engineering that is both opaque and highly leveraged.

Rules prevent Chinese banks from lending to governments the equity capital which they need to obtain further loans for investment. But local officials and banks are now exploiting a vast loophole thanks to intermediaries known as trust companies.

The process is simple enough. Trusts create specially designed "wealth products", which banks sell to their clients. Banks then give the funds to the trusts and they, in turn, funnel them to governments as equity capital.

Local authorities, in short, are piling debt on top of debt. The Chinese banking regulator has started to warn trusts and banks of the growing risks, state media recently reported.

It was not long ago that bad loans in China's banking system seemed to pose a massive debt threat to the wider economy. The core solution over the past decade was sustained double-digit growth, vastly expanding the denominator in debt-to-GDP ratios and generating the taxes to pay down the numerator.

Beijing is already looking to raise taxes where it can -- increasing the levy on cigarettes, for example -- but a return to super-charged growth is again its principal debt reduction plan.

In the meantime, China needs to fund its rising deficit.

On that front, at least, the government can be supremely confident, even if it has to issue more than the planned 950 billion yuan in bonds this year and yet more to cover shortfalls in coming years.

"There is so much saving and so much liquidity, so there is definitely not a problem that China will not be able to finance its deficit," said Tao Wang, UBS economist in Beijing.
 

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China economy growing again while US limps

By TOM RAUM (AP) – 1 day ago

WASHINGTON — It's a tale of two economies, China and the United States.

The United States, the world's largest economy, remains mired in recession as do most of its fellow top industrial powers.

China, poised to pass Japan as the world's second-largest economy perhaps by late this year, recently announced its Gross Domestic Product grew by more than 7.1 percent in the first half of this year.

That puts it alone among the top 10 world powers whose economy has expanded in recent months, making it the first major country to emerge from the worst global slump since the 1930s. Many analysts suggest that China could help to lead the rest of the world out of the doldrums.

For China's part, it hopes the U.S. and other Western countries will also recover and revive their now-depressed demand for Chinese goods, further buoying the Chinese economy. U.S. officials, however, suggest that, with recession-shocked American consumers spending less and saving more, those glory days for Chinese exporters will not return anytime soon.

Economic and strategic cooperation among the two world economic superpowers tops the agenda as top officials from both countries hold a two-day meeting in Washington, beginning Monday.

"China is increasingly becoming a responsible citizen in the global community," said economist Allen Sinai of Decision Economics. "No longer lawless, no longer difficult to deal with, much more responsible. It is now a powerhouse among economies and finance. And it's a rich country."

China stands out as a case study in how government economic-stimulus can work.

In the United States, there are fierce debates over whether President Barack Obama's $787 billion stimulus, passed by Congress in February, is having much impact. Designed to help create jobs, U.S. unemployment continues to rise at a steep pace and the economy is still shrinking.

By contrast, Beijing's $586 billion stimulus effort, put in place last November, has been hugely successful by nearly all accounts.

It freed up massive public-works spending and made bank loans more available, spurring a huge increase in Chinese construction and purchases of cars, homes and other goods.

If anything, some economists suggest the Chinese stimulus may actually be working too well, threatening to overheat the Chinese economy. That raises concerns that the flood of easy money will cause inflation and set the stage for the same kind of housing-credit "bubble" that triggered the U.S. financial meltdown.

Why did China's stimulus work when the U.S. version was slow to kick in?

For one thing, China had many of the programs, including public works projects, in the planning stages for two or three years so they got a head start once hit last year by the global downturn. China also didn't have to go through the tortuous gyrations that the Federal Reserve and Treasury did to inject money into U.S. banks in hopes of getting them to resume lending.

"Credit was flowing not because Chinese bankers were inherently confident about their economy. Credit was flowing because the Communist Party was telling the banks to lend," said Charles Freeman, former assistant U.S. trade representative for China affairs and now with the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

While exports may not be as much a driver of the Chinese economy as in the past, China is well situated to benefit in any upturn, particularly because of its reputation for manufacturing inexpensive products, said Freeman. "Cheap goods are relatively in demand in times of economic trouble, and so China is the first and last resort for cheap goods," he said.

In addition to better economic cooperation, Beijing is also Washington's most important partner in efforts to discourage or contain North Korea's nuclear ambitions.

Still, the U.S.- Chinese relationship isn't all rosy.

There remain security concerns as it bulks up as a military superpower as well as an economic one.

And there is still much trade friction between the two countries. Many in Congress and in organized labor still view China warily as a fierce competitor for U.S. manufacturing jobs.

"New opportunities in President Obama's new green economy will go to big players like GM and to businesses in China, where the government understands global commerce is played by rules of prison football," said Peter Morici, a business economist at the University of Maryland and former chief economist at the U.S. International Trade Commission.

"China has more than 100 million rural underemployed workers who, if moved into factories, could replace every manufacturing job in the United States, Western Europe and Japan," Morici said.

China and the United States are each other's second-largest trading partner. But the trade is way out of whack. The U.S. trade deficit with China remains its largest, even though trade overall has been down because of the global recession.

The Economic Policy Institute, a union-funded think tank, says that China represents a staggering 83 percent of the entire U.S. trade deficit in non-oil goods, up from 26 percent in 2000.

There is also a long-simmering dispute between the U.S. and China over exchange rates. U.S. officials claim China's currency policies end up overpricing U.S. goods there and making Chinese-made goods less expensive in the U.S.

And, as the largest holder of U.S. debt — mostly in the form of Treasury bonds — Beijing holds vast economic leverage over the United States. Suddenly selling those Treasurys or significantly reducing its debt holdings could send shock waves through the global financial system and make it harder for the U.S. to finance its mushrooming debt.

Most economists believe China is unlikely to make any such moves, because it would reduce the value of its own vast holdings in Treasurys. But Beijing might slow down its purchases of Treasurys and other dollar-denominated investments, complicating efforts for the United States to finance a budget deficit expected to surpass $1.8 trillion this year and a cumulative national debt approaching $12 trillion.

Also, there's one area in which China has now surpassed the U.S. and remains the world leader, even if it's hardly an honor. It is now the world's largest carbon emitter.

U.S. policymakers recognize that costly steps taken by Western nations to reduce pollution to help control global warming will mean little if China, with its population of 1.3 billion people, does not join in the effort.

But so far, the U.S. has been unable to persuade China to work to lower its emissions. China argues with conviction that it has a right to develop rapidly in hopes of attaining Western living standards and that its per capita pollution remains a fraction of that in the U.S. It also claims to have made great recent strides in energy efficiency and cleaning up coal plants.

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Shanghai to encourage two-child families: report

by Staff Writers
Shanghai (AFP) July 24, 2009
Shanghai is to encourage some families to have two children as China takes steps to relax its strict one-child policy in response to the ageing population, state press reported Friday.
Urban couples in China's most populous city will be urged to have two children if the husband and wife are themselves only children, the China Daily said.

"We advocate eligible couples to have two kids because it can help reduce the proportion of the ageing people and alleviate a workforce shortage in the future," the paper quoted Shanghai family planning director Xie Lingli as saying.

Family planning centres are handing out leaflets to encourage eligible couples to have a second child and will offer family and financial counselling for those taking up the offer, it said.

People over 60 make up 22 percent of the city's total population, a number that is expected to grow to 34 percent in 2020, the paper said.

A similar situation in most Chinese cities has recently prompted the government to relax the "one-child" family planning policy in urban areas for those couples coming from one-child families, the paper said.

Rural couples have long been allowed two children if the first child is a girl, while China's ethnic minorities have largely been exempted from the family planning policies.

China's "one-child" policy, first implemented in 1979, has resulted in 400 million fewer births, according to the government. At more than 1.3 billion people, China has the world's largest population.
 

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Buffett reaps $1 billion profit on Chinese carmaker
Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:40am EDT
By Jonathan Stempel

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway Inc has realized a $1.02 billion paper profit on a 10-month-old investment in BYD Co after shares in the Chinese car and battery maker quintupled.

Berkshire's MidAmerican Energy Holdings Co unit had agreed last September 26 to buy 225 million BYD shares at HK$8 each, a transaction then worth about $230 million.

The China Securities Regulatory Commission on Thursday granted approval for the transaction, which gives Berkshire a 9.89 percent stake. BYD shares closed Friday at HK$42.90, valuing Berkshire's stake at HK$9.65 billion, or about $1.25 billion.

Hong Kong's benchmark Hang Seng index is up 10 percent since Berkshire revealed the BYD investment.

Berkshire agreed to the stake three days after deciding to buy $5 billion of Goldman Sachs Group Inc preferred shares, despite the then-pervasive market turmoil after Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc's bankruptcy.

Warrants attached to the Goldman investment have since generated a $2 billion paper profit for Berkshire.

"Buffett has grown more comfortable investing in foreign companies in recent years," said Andy Kern, who writes the blog Berkshire Ruminations and is a doctoral candidate at the University of Missouri-Columbia.

"Domestically, Buffett is taking advantage of Berkshire's solid capital position," he added, "while internationally, it's more that Buffett is simply finding bargains."

Other non-U.S. investments by Berkshire include the reinsurer Swiss Re and the South Korean steelmaker Posco.

Earlier this decade, Berkshire made a few billion dollars on what had been a $488 million investment in Chinese oil company PetroChina Co.

Buffett is the world's second-richest person, after Microsoft Corp co-founder and Berkshire director Bill Gates, according to Forbes magazine.

Founded in Shenzhen in 1995 as a maker of rechargeable batteries, BYD expanded into mobile phones and automobiles.

It expects to sell 400,000 vehicles this year, and targets the sale of as many as 9 million by 2025, according to Henry Li, general manager of BYD Auto's export arm.

BYD Auto launched its first plug-in hybrid vehicle, the F3 DM sedan, last December.

Berkshire, based in Omaha, Nebraska, is a roughly $150 billion conglomerate that has close to 80 businesses selling such things as car insurance, ice cream and underwear, and which invests in dozens of companies.

Analysts on average expect Berkshire on August 7 to report a decline in second-quarter operating profit. Net income and Berkshire's book value may grow if rising stock markets boost the value of Berkshire's derivatives contracts.

Berkshire Class A shares were up $305 at $97,100 in morning trading on the New York Stock Exchange.

(US$1 = HK$7.75)

(Additional reporting by James Pomfret and Joanne Chiu in Shenzhen; Editing by Steve Orlofsky)


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Can China Save the World?
by Bill Powell

Excerpts from the long article.

"With the U.S., Japan and all of Europe mired in the worst global recession in 30 years, China has shown a restorative strength that six months ago many doubted it had. A devastating slump in exports crippled growth late last year, but on the back of a $586 billion government stimulus program — about 13% of GDP, spread over two years — China has snapped back. The economy grew 7.9% in the second quarter and will now probably expand 8% or more this year. Evidence of increasing momentum appears almost every day. Factory production has begun to edge up, in part because Chinese consumers continue to spend money at a healthy pace. Auto sales, helped significantly by government subsidies for small-car purchases, hit an all-time record in April and will easily surpass those in the U.S. this year. Overall, retail sales in China this year are up 16%. "

"That's why, for global companies like General Motors, China is no longer the future. It's the present. Of the world's 10 biggest economies, China's is the only one that is growing, and it could soon surpass Japan's to become the world's second largest. The Shanghai exchange has soared more than 80% this year, by far the best performance among major markets. Nations that depend on producing commodities, such as Australia and Brazil, have benefited immensely over the past six months as demand from China has driven up the price of raw materials. Helped by trade with China, Asia's export-driven economies are sputtering back to life. Overall, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) forecasts that in the three years from 2008 to 2010, China will, astonishingly, account for almost three-quarters of the world's economic growth. Not surprisingly, China has now become the focus of a world that is looking for a way out of the swamp. As Shanghai-based economist Andy Xie puts it, "Everyone wants to know the same thing: Can China save the world?""
 

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Bill Powell is generally certainly correct but as a fact he should concede that India is also growing though at a rate of 4-5% this year.
 

AssassinsMace

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Did China claim it was going to save the world? The media creates these fictions just so they can tear them down. The media is not too far off from a tabloid rag when it comes to global affairs. Just like the notion of a "G-2" or China joining the G-8. China never has shown an interest simply because Beijing knows there will be increased responsibility and expectation for China to follow along the West's agenda when China as still a developing country needs to steer its domestic economy without outsider self-interests involved. There is resentment that China is not collapsing as predicted. Would they really appreciate a China that did save the world? There's actually a scorched earth mentality going on here. If they don't want to see China playing a significant role in the global economic recovery, what is it they'd rather see if the US can't deal with it at most alone? Really, what does it say when the US's allies economic power combined can't get it together themselves? The EU is supposedly the largest economic entity in the world yet they can't save the world with the US either. It would be great for them if China wasn't in the picture because they can still claim their way is the best way in the world. But China, the "export Western dependent economy," is for some reason weathering the storm better than the rest. What does the world learn because of this? Not that China has the best way but the West isn't certainly the only way. And that's really the point at wishing China failure.
 
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China to surpass U.S. in manufacturing by 2015 on road to Empire

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August 4, 2:18 AMChicago Geopolitics ExaminerMichael

As a former Global Sourcing Manager for a number of Fortune 500 and middle-market manufacturers, it comes as no shock to me that China may overtake the U.S. as the world’s largest manufacturer. IHS Global Light has projected that this will happen by 2015 in a forecast published in the Wall Street Journal yesterday. It's yet another sign that China is burgeoning and destined to be an economic empire. Last year’s IHS estimate did not have China surpassing the U.S. until 2016, and 2 years ago the target date was 2020. Once China becomes the world’s foremost economic superpower, one can only wonder when they’ll start spending more money on their own defense to achieve global hegemony, as opposed to financing the U.S. military.

Does this seem far-fetched? Well, all it would take for the unraveling to begin would be for China to cease funding U.S. debt, considering China currently owns approximately $1 trillion of U.S. bonds. A few months ago, Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao announced that his country was “worried” about its holdings of US treasury securities, as he blamed Western countries for the global financial crisis because of their reckless economic policies. This isn’t only economic saber-rattling, because there has been intense public debate within China about the possibility of stopping the procurement of US bonds, another example of a fiery Chinese nationalist movement that has been spreading. A bestselling book that hit the market in March is a bit unsettling to boot, called Unhappy China, that suggests China “should rise up and lead the world”. Here is an excerpt:

If China stood as the world's top country, it would not act like the United States, which has been irresponsible, lazy and greedy and engaged in robbery and cheating. They have brought economic recession to the whole world."

It is unthinkable that China would bail on the U.S. considering the relationship is so codependent, because China thrives on U.S. trade and consumption of their manufactured goods. Not to mention that China, along with many other countries, indirectly pays the U.S. to be the “Leviathan”, policing the world to ensure stability. China buys our bonds and we make sure rogue states stay in line. The U.S. military budget is at approximately $636 billion in 2009, which is more than the rest of the world combined. It's double the total military spending of the EU, and is just under 10 times the size of China’s military expenditures – although China’s military spend has been growing rapidly, relatively speaking. The U.S. indeed monitors the world with nearly 1,000 military facilities in 46 countries and territories - like some ubiquitous goliath maintaining world order.

But, as previously stated, what happens when China does start keeping its money for their own defense? It looks like this shift has been underway because China has doubled its military budget since 2006 and it now has 2.3 million servicemen and women. Of course, military dominance won't happen overnight. The Pentagon estimates that China won’t be able to project small military units far beyond the mainland until 2015, and won’t be able to project large-scale operations far from China until after 2020. However, their recent strategies appear to be focused on one thing – true defense; and their number one goal is to prevent the U.S. from attacking them. But, if they did it economically, at what point will they surpass us militarily?

China has benefited from the mixed capitalist-communist nature of their economic system. They tend to get the best of both worlds by enjoying the fruits of free market capitalism, while at the same time the state subsidizes Chinese corporations in order to dump prices to win markets, and have been able to sell more goods by manipulating their currency to make their export products even more attractive. The reality is that China is one of the only countries to not be severely impacted by the global financial crisis, which should be a bit disconcerting. They have enhanced their geopolitical position in the world as a result of the worldwide recession, and having weathered the storm they could already be considered the number one economic superpower in terms of cash rich. China has $2.3 trillion in foreign exchange reserves which makes it the wealthiest nation on earth.

Because of their ability to leverage their economic model, many in the West see China with an unfair competitive advantage. According to the Wall Street Journal, this latest news hasn’t helped this perception:

U.S. manufacturing is shrinking, shedding jobs and, in the wake of this deep recession, producing and exporting far fewer goods, while China's factories keep expanding. If manufacturers on both sides of the Pacific were thriving, there would be little reason to butt heads. But given the massive trade gap between the two nations and uncertainty in the U.S. over when and to what degree manufacturing will recover, China's ascent has become a point of growing friction."

But the bitter irony is the vicious cycle that American manufacturers find themselves in, because in order to remain competitive globally they must outsource jobs and purchase goods offshore, considering some manufactured goods can be produced 30-40% cheaper (and that's landed cost) in China than they can stateside. This includes everything from toys to highly-engineered components that are critical to the manufacture of American automobiles, trucks, locomotives, aircraft, NASA spacecraft and strategic weaponry for the armed forces. I know from personal experience that without sourcing at least 20% of their cost of goods sold offshore, the gross profit alone of many of these companies would be upside down, and that's even before accounting for indirect MRO supplies, plant, equipment, transportation and administrative costs. The only reason one company in particular was profitable two years ago was due to the weak dollar that enhanced the value of goods sold into Europe, which certainly does not make for a feasible long-term business strategy.

The answer to this dilemma is not easy, the point is that we are dependent on China for not only financing our debt but, ironically, we need them to ensure our manufacturing sector survives. Globalization advocates believe that it is just natural for China to overtake the U.S., and none should worry because the laws of the free market are simply at work. Others beg to differ, such as Peter Morici, an economist at the University of Maryland:

The notion that we can be a non-manufacturing society is folly. It's pseudo-science that gives rise to the collapse of civilizations"

China certainly has its weaknesses, including lack of its own home grown resources - besides coal, human rights issues, and poverty. To put this in perspective, consider that of the 1.3 billion Chinese, well over 1.1 billion have a third-world standard of living.

However, it’s hard to avoid comparing America’s current situation with the rise and fall of previous empires like Britain and Rome, two examples where dominant superpowers were spread too thin militarily and crumbled from within financially. Plus, it has less to do with China’s strengths than it has to do with America’s weaknesses. Empires were made to fall, and once America is replaced by China, China will probably follow suit for the same reasons that all Empires seem to fail - greed.

And I end with an ancient Italian proverb I hope is a needless admonition, and an oracle that is never fulfilled:

“Wealth conquered Rome after Rome had conquered the world”
 
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China to surpass U.S. in manufacturing by 2015 on road to Empire

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August 4, 2:18 AMChicago Geopolitics ExaminerMichael

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Others beg to differ, such as Peter Morici, an economist at the University of Maryland:

The notion that we can be a non-manufacturing society is folly. It's pseudo-science that gives rise to the collapse of civilizations"

China certainly has its weaknesses, including lack of its own home grown resources - besides coal, human rights issues, and poverty. To put this in perspective, consider that of the 1.3 billion Chinese, well over 1.1 billion have a third-world standard of living.

I don't think this Peter Morici knows what hes talking about, and Id hate to be one of his students.
 

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You're right. Peter Morici doesn't know what he's talking about. China is one of the biggest coal producers in the world, and it has a lot of home grown resources.

As of the end of 2008, China now has 1 billion mobile phone users and over 300 billion Internet users.

Anyway, I find this interesting. The 100 top global brands by value. Google tops the list once again, even lengthening its lead over no. 2, Microsoft.

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Note the rise of a number of Chinese companies.

The top Chinese and Asian brand and also the top telco operator in the world is China Mobile.

Three of the top banks are Chinese: ICBC, China Construction Bank and Bank of China.

The most improved brand is China Merchant Bank (168% brand improvement) followed by Blackberry (100% brand improvement).

For luxury brands, LV tops. For cars, Toyota tops followed by BMW. Fast food, its of course, McDonalds.
 
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