Chinese Economics Thread

[Jura The idiot]

People ...

OK you were able to talk me out of this

yes, sometimes I attempt foolish things like trying to hang around
Chinese Economics Thread
LOL

I apologize to anybody who got pissed at me

 

[Blitzo]

OK you were able to talk me out of this

yes, sometimes I attempt foolish things like trying to hang around
Chinese Economics Thread
LOL

I apologize to anybody who got pissed at me

Honestly, I have no idea whether you're being sincere, but it really doesn't matter either way to me.

So long as this tangential discussion is ended for the moment and others can post content that is back on topic for the thread then that's fine with me.

 

[Jura The idiot]

Honestly, I have no idea whether you're being sincere, but it really doesn't matter either way to me.

So long as this tangential discussion is ended for the moment and others can post content that is back on topic for the thread then that's fine with me.

oh don't worry, I'm done

and yes, I apologized because I realized it was too much, trying to "fit in" here
(it'll become one of my many stories to tell though LOL)

you may have the last word (I'm not going to respond)

 

[Blitzo]

oh don't worry, I'm done

and yes, I apologized because I realized it was too much, trying to "fit in" here
(it'll become one of my many stories to tell though LOL)

you may have the last word (I'm not going to respond)

I don't really have anything else to say, my last post was basically signaling the end of my effective and brief participation in this tangent.

 

[vincent]

I always think that Mao stay too long at the helm He should just retire after Korean war and he will remember as the father of the nation.But he didn't

Something we can agree on about Mao. Anything he touched after turned into disaster for the people of China

 

[solarz]

The First Emperor burned books and buried scholars alive. His cruelty has been legendary for 2000 years. However, without his genocidal campaigns, China as we know it probably would not exist today. By creating a unified written language and a common measuring standard, Qin Shihuang created the a culture that would survive two millenia of unification and dissolution.

Good and evil is irrelevant. Mao belongs to history, and how we judge historical figures is based on how their actions affect us in the present.

 

[B.I.B.]

The First Emperor burned books and buried scholars alive. His cruelty has been legendary for 2000 years. However, without his genocidal campaigns, China as we know it probably would not exist today. By creating a unified written language and a common measuring standard, Qin Shihuang created the a culture that would survive two millenia of unification and dissolution.

Good and evil is irrelevant. Mao belongs to history, and how we judge historical figures is based on how their actions affect us in the present.

What happened during the periods of dissolution? Did the country revert back to its background of traditional Kingdoms again of Wu and Chu etc Or was it just a continuing rebellion until one side won.?

Excluding size of China why wasn’t the mind set to revert back to different countries like Yugoslavia. or go the way of Italy when Rome Fell?

 

[B.I.B.]

It will be a hard-call in the near future for the many China and Communism haters in the west who have to stash RMB bills with Mao Zedong's portrait on them in their wallets when travel abroad, first in Asia then central Asia, western Asia, Africa. They also have to greet Mao Zedong every time they pay. Bottom line is "one can not hate their own money even denoted in RMB".

Not necessarily so. I have an acquaintance of Chinese descent who has been based in Malaysia for a NZ company. For several years his role as Head of sustainability Asia/Pacific has taken him to China on a regular basis.
When he goes to China, its all arranged, he has a translator (he cant speak or read Chinese) and a chauffeur at his disposal 24/7, stays in Western hotels where he eats his meals as he does not particularly like Asian food and I think he uses his company provided Credit Card when he checks out.

 

[taxiya]

Mao lovers obviously never live tthrough the famine and the cultural revolution.

Please ask people in their 60's and 70's what their experiences were like.

My parents didn't get much to eat during their teens even with help from oversea relatives. My mom beg her grandma for more congee but didn't get any because there simply weren't enough for the family.

The cultural revolution was an absolute reign of terror. People's corpses were hanging drom the streets, people were tortured in secret chambers, good people killed theirselves because they couldn't stand the humiliations and tortures, girls were forced (survival choice) to marry into red families because they came from "vermin" families. My dad had trouble getting into universities because my grandpa owned a small bakery.

All the things i described above came from my parents's personal experieces.

I would place vast majority of the balme on Mao's feet

I am sure that some people share your feeling, like one of my college roommate whose grandpa's factory was confiscated by PRC in 1950s.

But I think there are also many people who don't share your feeling. My grandpa was sent to prison during culture revolution because he was a official of ROC, he was released home just some months before dying. My aunt lost her chance to go to university due to my grandpa. My mother's brother was paraded with a big white hat on his head because he was the gentry class. My cousin's family were stripped off properties that the brothers literally shared pants because their grandpa was land-owner and official of the old ROC. My cousin now serves in PLA. Non of us hate Mao, nor CCP. It doesn't mean we are blind of MAO's fault, but we made a conscious choice that is Mao is the best alternative China has had. Mao is like Qin Shihuang (Mao himself enjoyed that equation), Qin Shihuang was brutal in uniting China together, but so long as one love the idea of unified China, one will never hate Qin Shihuang for making one-China. Mao is just that. Also there is no IF in human history, so no point of thinking "things could have been better if it is not Mao". Mao rebuild China in one piece, love that idea? then forgive him but remember his mistake, don't love "China-in-one-piece", then hate Mao.

 

[taxiya]

Not necessarily so. I have an acquaintance of Chinese descent who has been based in Malaysia for a NZ company. For several years his role as Head of sustainability Asia/Pacific has taken him to China on a regular basis.
When he goes to China, its all arranged, he has a translator (he cant speak or read Chinese) and a chauffeur at his disposal 24/7, stays in Western hotels where he eats his meals as he does not particularly like Asian food and I think he uses his company provided Credit Card when he checks out.

hehe, he is apparently rich enough to live in his own bubble when going to China. He is paying in RMB without actually seeing the money. But many members of this forum is not that rich. My post was a tease to one of the members here.