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vincent

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Red Flag river is a dumb idea if the water doesn't go to the sea eventually. The land at the end of the river will become increasing salty.

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krautmeister

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Red Flag river is a dumb idea if the water doesn't go to the sea eventually. The land at the end of the river will become increasing salty.

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All of Central Asia afar from the Caspian and Aral Seas all have inland rivers. Better to have more water than no water in the middle of deserts. The land at the end of drying rivers only become saline/alkaline if they just end up like a drying stream. This is exactly what is happening now with those rivers that used to drain into the Aral Sea. Before the Soviet Union diverted all that river flow to agricultural/industrial uses, the rivers drained into the Aral Sea and the present problems with alkaline and saline soils didn't exist.

If rivers drain into large water bodies like big lakes or reservoirs, all is fine if the water body is large enough. This was the plan anyways because the water would be largely seasonal and need to be stored somehow anyways whether it were to replenish aquifers, water tables or reservoirs.
 

vincent

Grumpy Old Man
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All of Central Asia afar from the Caspian and Aral Seas all have inland rivers. Better to have more water than no water in the middle of deserts. The land at the end of drying rivers only become saline/alkaline if they just end up like a drying stream. This is exactly what is happening now with those rivers that used to drain into the Aral Sea. Before the Soviet Union diverted all that river flow to agricultural/industrial uses, the rivers drained into the Aral Sea and the present problems with alkaline and saline soils didn't exist.

If rivers drain into large water bodies like big lakes or reservoirs, all is fine if the water body is large enough. This was the plan anyways because the water would be largely seasonal and need to be stored somehow anyways whether it were to replenish aquifers, water tables or reservoirs.
What will happen to all the minerals carried in the river water? They will deposit into the soil and stay there.
 

krautmeister

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What will happen to all the minerals carried in the river water? They will deposit into the soil and stay there.
Exactly the same as what happens to all the minerals carried by inland rivers into inland lakes and seas. Eventually there will be a balance struck between the salinity / alkalinity of the soil. By introducing more water to an already water depleted area, any already saline soil will become less saline over time. It's only on salt flats and other such places where you will end up with an environmental problem. Obviously, China wouldn't design this to flow through such areas or where such problems would manifest. Also, excess minerals would filter down over time anyways and wouldn't build up in encrusted layers like you might be thinking if there is enough water.
 

PiSigma

"the engineer"
Most of the river water from the major rivers sourced for this project proposal aren't from meltwater, it's from rain. The Yarlung Tsangpo/Brahmatra gets almost all its water from rain, because it's river basin is part of the rain catchment area of the Himalayas relatively near the mountain foothills. It's also where most of the water for this project would come from. The other river sources the project taps are all well down river where the water sources are mostly from seasonal rains. The project developers were discussing taping water from the rivers flowing to South-east Asia but decided to limit it to prevent problems with those riparian countries. They didn't apply the same consideration to India and Bangladesh because the Yarlung Tsangpo/Brahmaputra is already an annual source of extreme flooding and it would actually be a net positive for the Brahmaputra to have significantly reduced flow, very especially during monsoon season. This is why Bangladesh doesn't really have grave concerns with China's Tibetan dam plans because it would actually benefit them. India on the other hand has been promoting non-stop conspiracy theories about China drying up their northeast provinces with those dams. For India, it's more about strategic control and sticking it to China. Btw, China recently approved the long anticipated "Great Bend" dam in Tibet. It will be the largest hydroelectric dam in the world by far producing over ~60GW vs 22.5GW for the Three Gorges Dam, when completed. If the "Red Flag River/Hongqi River" project ever gets approved, this would form part of that project.

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You just proves me correct... Monsoon rains fill the Brahmaputra on the Indian side of the hamalayas... China don't see any of that water. The Chinese side is glaciers... Which is very limited in water
 

krautmeister

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You just proves me correct... Monsoon rains fill the Brahmaputra on the Indian side of the hamalayas... China don't see any of that water. The Chinese side is glaciers... Which is very limited in water
The Yarlung Tsangpo is a major river BEFORE it ever enters Arunachal Pradesh. That's why the power output of the hydroelectric dams they are building on that river are in the Gigawatt range and the final dam at the great bend will even produce ~60GW. That final dam is still way high up in the mountains on the China side of the border. You can't produce that much power no matter how high the dams are without having HUGE water flow. That water isn't from melt water, it's from rain water. Some parts of that river basin actually have the highest precipitation in all of China. East of Lhasa past Nyingchi the precipitation fluctuates between 2000mm-3000mm annually. Once the Yarlung Tsangpo rounds the great bend heading south towards Arunachal Pradesh, the river picks most of the rest of the rain water it will receive before it exits into the Assam Plain to become the Brahmaputra River. It's not from glacier melt, it's almost all rain water.
 

Orthan

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caixin article about tianjin finances. How can they garantee that more SOE´s wont default without having to prop up companies? Seems to me that for SOE´s in china to default in the first place, really shows that they have now too much debt, and that the chinese financial system as a whole is becoming more creaky.

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Gatekeeper

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caixin article about tianjin finances. How can they garantee that more SOE´s wont default without having to prop up companies? Seems to me that for SOE´s in china to default in the first place, really shows that they have now too much debt, and that the chinese financial system as a whole is becoming more creaky.

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How much is too much debt? Oh wise sage. Please do tell!
 
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