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Kancil

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It's a dumb project and doesn't solve any water problems.

What is the timeline for this project? When will this project finish construction? When will this project pay off? How long is this project expect to last? The answer is probably hundreds of years for payback.

None of those questions will matter once the water runs out in Tibet. If those glaciers all melt, there is no source water and you end up with a dry trench costing trillions.
At the moment the major problem facing the Chinese is climate change resulting in increase rainfall in Central and South China causing spring and summer floods damaging crops and properties while North China is parched. How to transfer the excess rainfall in Central and South China to the dry north without letting the runoff causing damages and wasted by discharging into the sea? The retained water in dams in the south need to be pumped north in big pipelines to higher elevations for storage just before the arrival of spring and summer flood water. This can solve two problems at once.
 

SimaQian

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At the moment the major problem facing the Chinese is climate change resulting in increase rainfall in Central and South China causing spring and summer floods damaging crops and properties while North China is parched. How to transfer the excess rainfall in Central and South China to the dry north without letting the runoff causing damages and wasted by discharging into the sea? The retained water in dams in the south need to be pumped north in big pipelines to higher elevations for storage just before the arrival of spring and summer flood water. This can solve two problems at once.
There is already an ongoing project for that since 2002. This is a multi decade, probably the biggest construction project in Chinese history you never heard. Just like water conservation projects in ancient times in China, this project is to benefit the Chinese civilization for at least a thousand years.

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Kancil

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There is already an ongoing project for that since 2002. This is a multi decade, probably the biggest construction project in Chinese history you never heard. Just like water conservation projects in ancient times in China, this project is to benefit the Chinese civilization for at least a thousand years.

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Does the South-North water transfer scheme cater for the peak flow occurring during the Spring/Summer rain? If it does then there shouldn't be annual reports of flooding and damages to crops and properties. Gravity flow through the South-North water transfer project might not be able to deal with the peak flow in spring/summer. Only mechanical pumping can cope with peak flow and store the water at higher elevation and at long distance for release to dry regions.
 

hkbc

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Does the South-North water transfer scheme cater for the peak flow occurring during the Spring/Summer rain? If it does then there shouldn't be annual reports of flooding and damages to crops and properties. Gravity flow through the South-North water transfer project might not be able to deal with the peak flow in spring/summer. Only mechanical pumping can cope with peak flow and store the water at higher elevation and at long distance for release to dry regions.

No because the aim of the South North Water transfer project is to take fresh water from the Yangtse water course to the dry populated areas of the North not some magic attempt at mitigating weather! The central route uses no pumping stations they raised the level of the feed reservoir by making the retaining dam higher so it can be gravity driven, a much more cost effective option in the long run.

As an aside over 300,000 people had to be resettled and swathes of land left undeveloped to preserve water quality for the central project so unless the farm areas flooded and damage to property are in those orders of magnitude, simply relocating people may well be a much more simple and cost effective way of addressing the issue! Climate change is happening the human race needs to learn to deal with it and not just try to maintain the status quo!

China's just reported a record Summer Harvest despite pest issues early in the planting season so I guess the outcome of any flooding is factored into planning! Whilst its unfortunate that areas get flooded, desertification is problem and earth quakes happen, the green great wall, the water transfer projects serve defined purposes I don't think the even the CPC believes it can tame nature across the board!
 

Xizor

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State media isn’t the only medium for propaganda. In social media there are millions of content creator and trend setters who keep churning pro west and anti china videos, tweets and articles. Most of these people aren’t funded or directed by CIA. They do it either to be popular or by sense of duty to their nation, race. There are very few content creator who make pro china contents and most of them are either banned by lot of complains or not quiet popular in western media platforms.

due to china’s great firewall, this organic freelance propaganda arm of china in cutoff. So we are hearing only western view in western media. BJP IT cell and hyper nationalistic indians literally drown any anti india news and flood the internet with pro indian contents. Just look at IMDB rating for shitty indian movies. Almost all of them are above 80% rating while awesome hollywood movies are just 70%. China need to unlease its citizen to do PR plasic surgery into the tarnished image of china in the world.
Not required at all.
The more biased and less nuanced western propaganda is - the better for China.

The effect of western propaganda is quite overstated. Western propaganda is primarily for western consumption - for manufacturing consent. But there itself, it's increasingly getting hard as some people have generally less trust of their media for matters of domestic affair let alone international. For all others, it's like preaching to the choir. They can be told that China has tried to poison their children using bad food and they'll gulp it down.

What's hard to combat is White and Grey propaganda - those with half truths and twisted perspectives.

Their should not be any grand outreach to western nations. They won't change. It's a naive task.
 

Jiang ZeminFanboy

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I don't understand the logic behind this. Increase in the minimum wage in Shanghai by 110 yuan LoL. In Poland every year by 200 zł (340 RMB), that's too much and I see it in prices. But I don't see a move to raise the consumption in the lowest earners in China.

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Xizor

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I don't understand the logic behind this. Increase in the minimum wage in Shanghai by 110 yuan LoL. In Poland every year by 200 zł (340 RMB), that's too much and I see it in prices. But I don't see a move to raise the consumption in the lowest earners in China.

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We don't want all jobs going to Vietnam here do we?

I mean... Low wages are important to ensure them companies exploit the workers properly. As for workers, they are sacrificing the generation for something better for their children. Consumption is important but the recovery wasn't led by consumption. It's led by manufacturing and exports.

The middle class need to be strengthened but increasing low wage labor costs isn't doing that.

Wage growth at the lower strata (min wage) must be seen as independent of the drive to boost consumption.
 
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