Chinese Economics Thread

Gatekeeper

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Japan is at the top of the food chain when it comes to robotics and industrial automation. But japan recognizes that automation is designed to create higher end jobs, not replace humans.

So even with automation, China still needs to find ways to find employment for its citizens.

In fact, automation makes it even harder because creating high end jobs is a lot tougher for the government than low wage manufacturing jobs.

As I was saying in another thread, which country is poorer, Japan? Or India and Nigeria? Demographic dividend my foot. In the next two decades, India is going to find it increasingly difficult to find jobs for all those unskilled labours coming onto the labour market. And this will add drag to the economy.

As my tutor tells me when I was an economic students. All the demographic dividend does at best, is to increase GDP at the national level. Which should push India into the "big boy league" with China and USA. It brings prestige and maybe military poweress. But it adds nothing to the ordinary folks daily living standards.

The only way to increase the average persons utilities is to increase their income via GDP per capita. And here my tutor says the SOLOW economic model is where is at. The SOLOW model suggest GDP per capita, and individual utilities can only be increase via technological advances.

So this demographic dividends is really a nonsense. I mean, what's the common features of all these low income countries? Large illiterate population.
 

Derpy

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Japan is at the top of the food chain when it comes to robotics and industrial automation. But japan recognizes that automation is designed to create higher end jobs, not replace humans.

So even with automation, China still needs to find ways to find employment for its citizens.

In fact, automation makes it even harder because creating high end jobs is a lot tougher for the government than low wage manufacturing jobs.
If you ever worked with automation you know it requires alot of electricians and different mechanics to keep it running, those are mid end jobs that require some brains and creativity. An automated production line also requires alot more engineers to plan and design.
But most low end jobs will be service jobs, cleaning, maintenence, delivery, retail etc
 

Petrolicious88

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As I was saying in another thread, which country is poorer, Japan? Or India and Nigeria? Demographic dividend my foot. In the next two decades, India is going to find it increasingly difficult to find jobs for all those unskilled labours coming onto the labour market. And this will add drag to the economy.

As my tutor tells me when I was an economic students. All the demographic dividend does at best, is to increase GDP at the national level. Which should push India into the "big boy league" with China and USA. It brings prestige and maybe military poweress. But it adds nothing to the ordinary folks daily living standards.

The only way to increase the average persons utilities is to increase their income via GDP per capita. And here my tutor says the SOLOW economic model is where is at. The SOLOW model suggest GDP per capita, and individual utilities can only be increase via technological advances.

So this demographic dividends is really a nonsense. I mean, what's the common features of all these low income countries? Large illiterate population.

Yea India is too late to the game. Automation is coming. Global warming is coming, and India is particularly vulnerable because of its tropic like climate.
 

PiSigma

"the engineer"
As I was saying in another thread, which country is poorer, Japan? Or India and Nigeria? Demographic dividend my foot. In the next two decades, India is going to find it increasingly difficult to find jobs for all those unskilled labours coming onto the labour market. And this will add drag to the economy.

As my tutor tells me when I was an economic students. All the demographic dividend does at best, is to increase GDP at the national level. Which should push India into the "big boy league" with China and USA. It brings prestige and maybe military poweress. But it adds nothing to the ordinary folks daily living standards.

The only way to increase the average persons utilities is to increase their income via GDP per capita. And here my tutor says the SOLOW economic model is where is at. The SOLOW model suggest GDP per capita, and individual utilities can only be increase via technological advances.

So this demographic dividends is really a nonsense. I mean, what's the common features of all these low income countries? Large illiterate population.
Totally agree gateway.

90% of India's workforce is already in the informal sector getting by the gig of the day/hour or having a vegetable stand on the street. The amount of economics activity/growth from the informal sector is basically nothing. So these people is actually a hindrance to the GDP/capita. Illiterate and malnourished population is a huge hindrance to a modern economy.

People in china only complain about too many people, never too few people. If the population drops, it's great, less competition for school and work positions.

If you look at japan, it's economy is holding steady, only 0.1% growth. But who cares, the population is dropping, so that means per capita, it's getting richer.

A population divident is ONLY a divident if it is a healthy, well educated, and disciplined population. A market is only a valuable market if it's big and rich. India is big, but not rich. Japan is rich, but not big. China is almost rich, but big.

People always say China's growth slowed down, they all failed elementary math. China's 6% growth last year is greater than the 14% growth 15 years ago on absolute dollar terms. It is decelerating but actually growth faster.
 

localizer

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The key is economic freedom, let people do their thing.
Remove barriers to entry for employment and starting businesses


Also, dump the dollars, appreciate the yuan so Chinese can consume their own products.

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Lol force Chinese companies to move to the US.
 
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Petrolicious88

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The key is economic freedom, let people do their thing.
Remove barriers to entry for employment and starting businesses


Also, dump the dollars, appreciate the yuan so Chinese can consume their own products.


Yes! This economic freedom is key. Freedom to access of information is key. The Internet firewall in China is actually detrimental to Chinese growth in the long term.
 

Nobonita Barua

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Freedom to access of information is key. The Internet firewall in China is actually detrimental to Chinese growth in the long term.
Naa . The only thing the "firewall" is detrimental to is GDP of great porn companies of The United States not of America .
I find it funny when someone in country "A" tries to suggest what's "key" or "detrimental" to growth of country B.
Economy & Internet is 2 separate things.
I personally prefer my country to prioritize communication among people here rather than "people of global village" crap. Sure the communication across the globe is necessary. But only in certain time with certain people in certain manner.
I find limitless freedom in uncharted territory to be more counter productive than productive. For example, i would very much like to put full stop on import of any kind of american "culture" in my own country.
 

SPOOPYSKELETON

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Yes! This economic freedom is key. Freedom to access of information is key. The Internet firewall in China is actually detrimental to Chinese growth in the long term.

Economic growth at the cost of surrendering cultural sovereignty? Why is economic growth the ultimate goal for you when it was that same single minded focus on GDP that is destroying America? This is a small minded view to say the least.
 
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