Chinese Economics Thread

AssassinsMace

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I see one major hurdle for China because it's something China wants that's worthless. China wants respect from the very people who want to undermine China. What's makes it more difficult to resolve, it's more cultural and not something of the government. It bewilders me when I comes across Chinese who argue that China should copy. This is where both China and the US have in common. They both think the other side thinks just like them. In China doing what is seen as a more advanced society does, makes them an equal. They want to believe they're as advanced as they are. That's old inferior complex thinking. That's why they argue copying is good. Because to them that makes Chinese an equal. Not to Americans. To them copying means you're stealing. You're being lazy and trying to take short cuts to taking credit for something that's not yours in the first place. Why does China value being a part of the International Space Station? China can build their own space station. There are those in Beijing that want to be a part of the ISS because of prestige. To them it says China is equal to the most advanced countries in the world. Not to the US. Is China doing anything different when they just copy? What does China have to offer that can't be done by any other partners in the ISS? Nothing. When you examine hierarchies it's all about defining how people are different from the other not about finding how everyone is the same. They don't want people being the same to them. They want to be unique. Why do you think the celebrity culture in the US is so valued? By it's very nature, it demands the fewest people possible ever achieve celebrity. If everyone could be a celebrity then everyone would be the same. What's the point? The more celebrities, the less fame and money they get. So why would they want everyone to be the same with them?

Respect is something that's earned not given away. If you expect someone to give you respect, it's the worthless superficial kind. If you can buy off someone to give you respect, is it real? China's enemies always point to how China is not liked by others. China is the second most powerful country in the world and being liked had nothing to do with it. So what's the value of being liked? Wanting respect and being liked are both the same. They're worthless. If those things carried value, China would not be the second most powerful country in the world because China is not respected and liked. People in this forum point to how some Chinese companies are traitors because they wanted to use American/Western chips and processors for their prestige value in selling their products to Chinese consumers. Can you imagine where China would be at if they just made their own from the beginning and people like Trump wouldn't be able to use it in his trade war with China making China have to scramble to go domestic now?
 
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Chish

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It is said that the Middle East 'saved' China 2 times.

First time is as you mentioned, 911 right when the US is pondering whether to rekt China's economic development.

Then after Lehman Crisis, the US feels really uneasy that only China can fund the Wallstreetsand automakers bailouts. Something is out of place. Comes 2010, China's industrial output officially surpassed US', a feat no nation(not Germany, Japan nor Soviet Union) have ever succeed at in the past 120 years.(CIA is the first entity to take note of that)

Right when Obama and Hillary is just starting the China-containment pact known as "Pivot-To-Asia/Indo-Pacific Strat predecessor", US started pushing Philippines admin to clash at seas with Chinese and Vietamese fishing boats to create tensions knowing there is a long running unresolved territorial disputes. the Arab Spring occured, and US switched her focus back to to Middle East, using all her propaganda tools like FB/Twitter to topple all the admins that does no bend down to US foreign policies(Egypt/Syria/Libya). The unrest leads into growth of ISIS that forced US Army to return back to Middle East.

Note now this part is what I learnt from the speech of Prof. Jin Chang Rong of Renmin University :
By 2011/2012 the then Hu Jin Tao admin already sense the incoming danger/omnious(as proven true later by 2018 US trade siege ), and so to avoid a direct clash at the Eastern frontier of China, they come out with a rough idea to turn towards empowering trade networks thru the Western side of China. Building on their huge list of previous civilian-cooperation efforts, gov-to-gov economic agencies, and calling in Chinese firms that are already successful in establishing trade networks along the eurasia landmass, the Hu admin have them prioritied, pump into some serious diplomatic efforts to turn them all into a transcontinental scheme to be left at the hand of new upcoming Xi Admin. The scheme described above is known today as The Belt Road Initiative. ( Nowadays you often hear Xi talking about "shared future for mankind", it actually is coined by Hu Jin Tao
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US admin, under Trump, finally wake up in 2017 to realise that the 4 years Belt and Road is essentially a preemptive move to offset the effect of Obama's economic, social and military containment effort. The Quad, what changing Asia-Pacific into Indo-Pacific, you know all those later. ( CTTP is also an economic pact aimed at curtailing China's tech development while also isolating her from South East Asia, it is spearheaded by Japan and greatly support by Obama. In a certain sense, Obama is actually a very capable geopolitical player and one that is way more cunning than the current admin.)

And oh on South China Sea. China in 2012/2013 ? decided to stop turning a blind eye to Malaysia's and Vietnam's decades of sea filling efforts in the disputed area. Sensing trouble as Philippines started stirring issues, Beijing send in their ships, formally leveling the playing field of the island reclaiming game. Turns out China refill more land area in 2 years than what other's combined in the last 4 decades. The smaller players cry foul and the rest is history...
This COVID-19 is going to give China another 1 to 2 years to consolidate before US return to 'normal' operation assuming the US economy is now opening up and recovering.
 

free_6ix9ine

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This COVID-19 is going to give China another 1 to 2 years to consolidate before US return to 'normal' operation assuming the US economy is now opening up and recovering.

Don't underestimate the chance that the US becomes a failed state after Trump loses the election but refuses to leave. And calls on his white nationalist groups and open michigan militias to overthrow the government.
 
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related is
Donald Trump says he is ‘not interested’ in China trade deal renegotiation
  • The US president argues Chinese negotiators would only want any changes to benefit their side
  • ‘Let’s see if they live up to the deal that they signed,’ Trump adds

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... and now the story is of
Trump expresses anger that his China trade deal is off to a rocky start, but he lacks obvious remedies
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inside the supposed number for 2020 Chinese import increase from the US
 
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