Chinese Economics Thread

SoupDumplings

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It is said that the Middle East 'saved' China 2 times.

First time is as you mentioned, 911 right when the US is pondering whether to rekt China's economic development.

Then after Lehman Crisis, the US feels really uneasy that only China can fund the Wallstreetsand automakers bailouts. Something is out of place. Comes 2010, China's industrial output officially surpassed US', a feat no nation(not Germany, Japan nor Soviet Union) have ever succeed at in the past 120 years.(CIA is the first entity to take note of that)

Right when Obama and Hillary is just starting the China-containment pact known as "Pivot-To-Asia/Indo-Pacific Strat predecessor", US started pushing Philippines admin to clash at seas with Chinese and Vietamese fishing boats to create tensions knowing there is a long running unresolved territorial disputes. the Arab Spring occured, and US switched her focus back to to Middle East, using all her propaganda tools like FB/Twitter to topple all the admins that does no bend down to US foreign policies(Egypt/Syria/Libya). The unrest leads into growth of ISIS that forced US Army to return back to Middle East.

Note now this part is what I learnt from the speech of Prof. Jin Chang Rong of Renmin University :
By 2011/2012 the then Hu Jin Tao admin already sense the incoming danger/omnious(as proven true later by 2018 US trade siege ), and so to avoid a direct clash at the Eastern frontier of China, they come out with a rough idea to turn towards empowering trade networks thru the Western side of China. Building on their huge list of previous civilian-cooperation efforts, gov-to-gov economic agencies, and calling in Chinese firms that are already successful in establishing trade networks along the eurasia landmass, the Hu admin have them prioritied, pump into some serious diplomatic efforts to turn them all into a transcontinental scheme to be left at the hand of new upcoming Xi Admin. The scheme described above is known today as The Belt Road Initiative. ( Nowadays you often hear Xi talking about "shared future for mankind", it actually is coined by Hu Jin Tao
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US admin, under Trump, finally wake up in 2017 to realise that the 4 years Belt and Road is essentially a preemptive move to offset the effect of Obama's economic, social and military containment effort. The Quad, what changing Asia-Pacific into Indo-Pacific, you know all those later. ( CTTP is also an economic pact aimed at curtailing China's tech development while also isolating her from South East Asia, it is spearheaded by Japan and greatly support by Obama. In a certain sense, Obama is actually a very capable geopolitical player and one that is way more cunning than the current admin.)

And oh on South China Sea. China in 2012/2013 ? decided to stop turning a blind eye to Malaysia's and Vietnam's decades of sea filling efforts in the disputed area. Sensing trouble as Philippines started stirring issues, Beijing send in their ships, formally leveling the playing field of the island reclaiming game. Turns out China refill more land area in 2 years than what other's combined in the last 4 decades. The smaller players cry foul and the rest is history...
I agree. When Trump started to look like he was going to invade Venezuela, I thought that China would get another 10 years. Sadly, with the coronavirus, I don't think that will happen. It looks like the US is now fully focused on China.
 

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Bans Chinese students.

Doesn't sound like there is any tint of sincerity to really find out the real cause of the virus...conclusion is already formed before enquiry and the demands made dont even relate to the outbreak of the virus. Release US-backed agents that are funding destabilisation efforts in HK ?

If anything, they should investigate themselves - the entire US gov, from White House, to State Dept, Senators and Congress(both dem and rep) for failing to manage the outbreak properly. For rejecting scientific medical advices over politic at the onset of the outbreak. Most government can manage their outbreak better than US, yet somehow the failure of outbreaking mangement in US is the fault of China ?? How ignorant and arrogant can the politicians in US be ?

Last I check, the US found evidence of WMD in Iraq, leading to invasion with destructive effects on the Iraqis.
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Bans Chinese students. Hope it gets passed.

I hope this passes too. This will unite 100% of people in china (if they are already not already united) as well as a great proportion of the 50 million diaspora that are still "sitting on the fence" including those in North America. This is not different from how Jewish communities united around the world in the 20th century to put aside communal differences in the face of an existential threat. America has made clear it cannot tolerate the Chinese people nor its civilization, nor can it share this world. There will be a mass exodus of Chinese-Americans from the engineering, science, medical communities in the US as they face increased violence and persecution in the economic, political, and cultural spheres. The overseas diaspora won't necessarily return to China, many will settle in other countries in the west that aren't as hostile, but that will be enough.

In the titanic struggle of the 21st century, you don't need every Chinese person to love the CCP (I certainly don't), but its enough to know the US will do anything and everything in its power to prevent myself, my family, and my people from pursuing the prosperity and way of life we want and deserve. The Chinese people have gone through more struggle and upheaval in the past 50 years than most countries can imagine, and we will endure what we must in a long conflict with the US, whatever form and methods it takes.
 

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It is said that the Middle East 'saved' China 2 times.

First time is as you mentioned, 911 right when the US is pondering whether to rekt China's economic development.

Then after Lehman Crisis, the US feels really uneasy that only China can fund the Wallstreetsand automakers bailouts. Something is out of place. Comes 2010, China's industrial output officially surpassed US', a feat no nation(not Germany, Japan nor Soviet Union) have ever succeed at in the past 120 years.(CIA is the first entity to take note of that)

Right when Obama and Hillary is just starting the China-containment pact known as "Pivot-To-Asia/Indo-Pacific Strat predecessor", US started pushing Philippines admin to clash at seas with Chinese and Vietamese fishing boats to create tensions knowing there is a long running unresolved territorial disputes. the Arab Spring occured, and US switched her focus back to to Middle East, using all her propaganda tools like FB/Twitter to topple all the admins that does no bend down to US foreign policies(Egypt/Syria/Libya). The unrest leads into growth of ISIS that forced US Army to return back to Middle East.

Note now this part is what I learnt from the speech of Prof. Jin Chang Rong of Renmin University :
By 2011/2012 the then Hu Jin Tao admin already sense the incoming danger/omnious(as proven true later by 2018 US trade siege ), and so to avoid a direct clash at the Eastern frontier of China, they come out with a rough idea to turn towards empowering trade networks thru the Western side of China. Building on their huge list of previous civilian-cooperation efforts, gov-to-gov economic agencies, and calling in Chinese firms that are already successful in establishing trade networks along the eurasia landmass, the Hu admin have them prioritied, pump into some serious diplomatic efforts to turn them all into a transcontinental scheme to be left at the hand of new upcoming Xi Admin. The scheme described above is known today as The Belt Road Initiative. ( Nowadays you often hear Xi talking about "shared future for mankind", it actually is coined by Hu Jin Tao
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)

US admin, under Trump, finally wake up in 2017 to realise that the 4 years Belt and Road is essentially a preemptive move to offset the effect of Obama's economic, social and military containment effort. The Quad, what changing Asia-Pacific into Indo-Pacific, you know all those later. ( CTTP is also an economic pact aimed at curtailing China's tech development while also isolating her from South East Asia, it is spearheaded by Japan and greatly support by Obama. In a certain sense, Obama is actually a very capable geopolitical player and one that is way more cunning than the current admin.)

And oh on South China Sea. China in 2012/2013 ? decided to stop turning a blind eye to Malaysia's and Vietnam's decades of sea filling efforts in the disputed area. Sensing trouble as Philippines started stirring issues, Beijing send in their ships, formally leveling the playing field of the island reclaiming game. Turns out China refill more land area in 2 years than what other's combined in the last 4 decades. The smaller players cry foul and the rest is history...

I'm not sure about the "twice" bit. I think by the time of "Arab spring". China's economic size have grown to 4 times it was at 9 11. It was too difficult for US to do a Japan on China by then even if it can persuade others to join in. However, granted that the "Arab spring" is one piece of "good timing" for China.

But, you must realised that this event didn't happened by accident. Like Ukraine, It was instigated by US. Therefore, it wasn't down to luck. It was down to US foreign policy and the view of the time was. China can wait as they mis-calculated that China would still be contained. Especially (incorrectly) US could rely on its allies (That's all the West, Japan "Saudis, russia, india" and, of course, our friends down under). But as we can see now, things didn't turn out the way US had hoped. We can see this playing out from the Huawei fiasco to the Covid 19. And even Hong Kong and Taiwan.
 

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I agree. When Trump started to look like he was going to invade Venezuela, I thought that China would get another 10 years. Sadly, with the coronavirus, I don't think that will happen. It looks like the US is now fully focused on China.

Yes, but is the US in a position to achieve what they have done to the Soviet and Japan? I doubt it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they won't be able to inflict damage. I'm just saying it won't be the kind of damage inflicted on the two mentioned nations. Because any damage they inflict now will have a big cost to themself.
 
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