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ougoah

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Why does russia needs military grade semiconductors from china? AFAIK, russia manufactures its own.

Yes and no. Most Russian military hardware can make use of their semiconductors which aren't anywhere close to being commercially competitive but since it's military, size, weight, processing capability etc are not as pressing matters. Perhaps the US just refused to sell them more modern chips and China has offered alternatives. Russian semiconductor fab hasn't been an area they're heavily invested in.
 

weig2000

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Why does russia needs military grade semiconductors from china? AFAIK, russia manufactures its own.

As someone who has been around SDF for over a decade, you sure ask a lot of seemingly newbie questions.

It is actually quite well known and obvious that Russia has been behind China in defense electronics, both from what they have equipped their respective air force and navy platforms and from the huge disparity in the civilian electronic industries in Russia and China.

Here is
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from the 2010 Chinese Defense Electronics Exhibition (CIDEX), which has the following:

This transfer of technological know-how, plus some enormous investments by the Chinese military into its state-owned industries (what more than one Russian has referred to as “uncontrolled and rampant modernisation”) has produced a defence electronics industry that far outstrips the size and capacity of that which existed in Russia when Chinese industry first began their cooperation with Moscow in the early 1990s.


Today the former students (the Chinese) have become the masters. Chinese industry now has the ability to produce components that the Russian electronics industry (after almost two decades of no investment by their government) is no longer capable of either designing or manufacturing. The initial failure rates on the production of transmit/receive (T/R) modules for the Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radars being designed for the Mikoyan MiG-35 and the Sukhoi T-50/PAK-FA 5th-generation fighter, for example, were so high that it would have bankrupted any western firm involved in a similar programme.


Not surprisingly, this year’s CIDEX show saw groups of Russian specialists going through the halls and looking for components that they could source out of China to be utilised in Russian-designed weapon systems. Russian specialists will point out that they are now at a huge disadvantage to the Chinese in two very significant respects.

And, just to remind, this report was written more than a decade ago.
 

ansy1968

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As someone who has been around SDF for over a decade, you sure ask a lot of seemingly newbie questions.

It is actually quite well known and obvious that Russia has been behind China in defense electronics, both from what they have equipped their respective air force and navy platforms and from the huge disparity in the civilian electronic industries in Russia and China.

Here is
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from the 2010 Chinese Defense Electronics Exhibition (CIDEX), which has the following:


And, just to remind, this report was written more than a decade ago.
@weig2000 ,

Do you know the name of the author ? can't find his old publication from the net and I haven't heard from him since then. His research and writing are top notch without any bias and of course you can't count out his alarmist view since he is paid to do just that.
 

weig2000

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@weig2000 ,

Do you know the name of the author ? can't find his old publication from the net and I haven't heard from him since then. His research and writing are top notch without any bias and of course you can't count out his alarmist view since he is paid to do just that.

You lost me here. Not sure who you are referring to. The excerpt is from the linked report by Rafael Smith, just click the link.
 

ansy1968

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You lost me here. Not sure who you are referring to. The excerpt is from the linked report by Rafael Smith, just click the link.
@weig2000,

Yup that's the website (getting old) I've been looking for thanks very much ;) , the author I'm referring to is Richard Fisher Jr . Haven't see him posting on the web and also the IASC website had been dormant what a shame they provide great research materials.
 

weig2000

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@weig2000,

Yup that's the website (getting old) I've been looking for thanks very much ;) , the author I'm referring to is Richard Fisher Jr . Haven't see him posting on the web and also the IASC website had been dormant what a shame they provide great research materials.

You didn't even click the link, but knew the passage was from Richard Fisher's website? I'm impressed.
 

Hendrik_2000

Brigadier
@weig2000,

Yup that's the website (getting old) I've been looking for thanks very much ;) , the author I'm referring to is Richard Fisher Jr . Haven't see him posting on the web and also the IASC website had been dormant what a shame they provide great research materials.
Because he has a paying job now with some kind of Taiwan think tank I believe. Yes He used to visit Chinese defense show and produced report based on his visit and keen insight. But it was China then relatively behind . It does not make sense now when China reach close to parity with the west. And copious amount of defense related video from CCTV 7 on youtube, and Fans(wall climber+ good cell phone camera) video
 

ansy1968

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You didn't even click the link, but knew the passage was from Richard Fisher's website? I'm impressed.
@weig2000, Hendrik_2000,

I'm began a fan of his early on when J10 was popping out from the web, his analysis and research is top class, I think he rely on Pinkov on info relating on Russian equipment supply(export) to China but is intelligent enough not to follow his bullshit article. My thinking is With China going domestic for its weapon program, he and Pinkov had lost employment. :cool:
 
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