China's V/STOL studies, concepts & considerations

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Gloire_bb said:
It's often said that F-35B compromised F-35A. Ironically, the opposite is true.
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Odd that people think this way when the original program was a marines program to replace the harrier.

But anyhow if they are opting for a jet that is capable of reasonable range and payload when operating VTOL, it is more apparent for a powerful lift system and engines.
 
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伏尔戈星图:

One more thing: stop daydreaming about all kinds of weird STOVL engines and configurations.

The domestic “F135-PW-600” equivalent is basically at the final stage of development already; right now it’s about assembling the first prototype test article. Just be patient and wait.

Iirc his credibility is not that high, but in light of other recent rumours...
 
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00CuriousObserver said:
伏尔戈星图:

One more thing: stop daydreaming about all kinds of weird STOVL engines and configurations.

The domestic “F135-PW-600” equivalent is basically at the final stage of development already; right now it’s about assembling the first prototype test article. Just be patient and wait.

Iirc his credibility is not that high, but in light of other recent rumours...
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If it's "assembling first prototype test article", we won't see it for years.
 
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I see people keep speculating on needing a 200kN+ engine because the thing is supposed to be 18m long while J-35 is only 17m long.

The Russian Su-75 and it's CCA variant are both 17.7m long, and powered by a single AL-51F-1, generating only 167kN of thrust.

It is completely doable to create an aircraft that is 18m long and get away with only a single 170-190kN engine.
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Nx4eu said:
I see people keep speculating on needing a 200kN+ engine because the thing is supposed to be 18m long while J-35 is only 17m long.

The Russian Su-75 and it's CCA variant are both 17.7m long, and powered by a single AL-51F-1, generating only 167kN of thrust.

It is completely doable to create an aircraft that is 18m long and get away with only a single 170-190kN engine.
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Maybe but you need to compare orange with orange. Su-75 is not v/stovl. You can still get away with only a single 170-190kN engine but you will also take away payload and maximum landing weight. You can have a lighter and slim 18m aircraft, slim aircrafts are sexy.
 
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Also, as this new aircraft will be for the Marines, I suspect it's going to be mostly focused on strike. This will probably require large and deep weapon bays like F-35 while also carrying sufficient fuel for a reasonable combat range all the while carrying all the equipment for lift system. Comparing it to Su-75 which is a conventional air superiority platform is not fair while comparing it to a bigger F-35B is much more fair.
 
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Tomboy said:
Also, as this new aircraft will be for the Marines, I suspect it's going to be mostly focused on strike. This will probably require large and deep weapon bays like F-35 while also carrying sufficient fuel for a reasonable combat range all the while carrying all the equipment for lift system. Comparing it to Su-75 which is a conventional air superiority platform is not fair while comparing it to a bigger F-35B is much more fair.
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They have GJ-21 for strike. This aircraft will be for air superiority.
 
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