China's strategy in Korean peninsula

Blackstone

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Regime change is not something the US has a good track record of late. Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya come to mind.
True that. Full Stop. Regime changes are even less good for the ousted leaders, and the credible threat of it has a quality all its own.
 

nugroho

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In the editorial, the author also declared that the "People's Liberation Army (PLA) will launch attacks to DPRK nuclear facilities on its own. A strike to nuclear facilities of the DPRK is the best military means in the opinion of the outside world." The northeastern Chinese provinces of Liaoning and Jilin share borders with North Korea. These two provinces and Heilongjiang are part of the Shenyang Military Region, one of seven military regions of the People's Liberation Army.

I think, the author (a Chinese military observer who did not know that Shenyang Military region had merge to North) does not have any qualification to comment. He or she is very outdated.
 

taxiya

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In the editorial, the author also declared that the "People's Liberation Army (PLA) will launch attacks to DPRK nuclear facilities on its own. A strike to nuclear facilities of the DPRK is the best military means in the opinion of the outside world." The northeastern Chinese provinces of Liaoning and Jilin share borders with North Korea. These two provinces and Heilongjiang are part of the Shenyang Military Region, one of seven military regions of the People's Liberation Army.

I think, the author (a Chinese military observer who did not know that Shenyang Military region had merge to North) does not have any qualification to comment. He or she is very outdated.
Just another of many efforts to divide and conquer, or a day dream. Typical narrative of "China hate NK, NK threats China, China loves SK and US, Russia will switch if given a chance etc". Delusional at the best. I dare to say who pays his salary.
 

Inst

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Zero Hedge commentators proposed that this was the result of American hackers. For instance, the term "freak out" is an unusual word choice, and while the page is visible on Google cache, it's not visible on Chinamil. More likely, North Korea will attempt some sort of weapons test, perhaps a live nuclear ballistic missile test tomorrow, and it may be shot down by American point defense.
 

AssassinsMace

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Zero Hedge is a fun read but their political positions influence what they write. Meaning they're not loyal to the facts. And remember that many journalists especially internet journalism write more for influencing policy decisions so they're not reporting the news, they're trying to create the news. So I can see this article as either telling what China to do or attempting to drive a wedge between China and North Korea because the more isolated North Korea is, the more likely a collapse is coming.
 

dingyibvs

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I made a similar post on CDF, but essentially my thoughts are that NK is indeed a threat to China and it needs to be taken care of. I think China has done a great job of convincing the world that NK is other people's problem, and it's time to cash in on that. Here's my x-posted comment from 2 days ago:

If I were Xi here's what I would do. Reach an agreement with Trump, promise that NK would back down, let Trump bluster thinking that he's already won and back him into a corner where he needs to act if NK tests a nuke. Then give NK assurances of Chinese protection, let Kim think that he can test another Nuke without any substantial consequence. Be specific to Kim in private, but be vague in public, don't promise war on Kim's behalf, say some crap like "the Chinese soldiers are prepared to sacrifice their lives for peace." If that can be done, then the wheel will be in motion already. 1) NK tests nuke 2) U.S. launches strike 3) NK retaliates with bombardment of Seoul 4) War breaks out over the peninsula, with SK blaming the Americans for starting the war.

At this stage war can probably still be contained to a limited affair, but don't let it. Rush in with the PLA and stab Kim in the back in the name of peace on the peninsula. Give most of NK to SK, creating a gigantic refugee crisis in SK and a tremendous rebuilding job that only China can take on, keeping only a border area buffer zone (call it refugee camp) as insurance. The Americans can't complain because China just helped them remove Kim and his nuclear program, the SKs can't complain because China just helped them reunite the peninsula, and all the blame for the deaths, destruction, and suffering will be blamed on Kim and secondarily Trump. After that, China would have one less nuclear threat on the border and a heck a lot more leverage over SK. Predicting any further into the future would be unwise, but that's quite a bit Xi has got to work with.

Events since then:
1) Trump has begun moving assets toward the Korean peninsula
2) The Chinese press is vaguely supporting the American position while declaring Trump a man who'd "honor his promises" via a Global Times op-ed, which we know is usually just a bluster-filled tabloid but the western press seems to take seriously
3) Fear is rising in SK that Trump may go rogue and attack NK

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My x-posted commentary on the more recent development:

It seems like China is backing the Norks and the Americans into a corner. On one hand, whatever agreement Xi reached with Trump seems to have emboldened him, and Chinese papers are declaring him as someone who'd back up his threats with action. On the other hand, NK's main deterrence has been acting the madman, convincing the world that they're willing to lose everything in a war that they can't win just to cost you an arm and a leg. Trump can't back down lest he look a fool, and Kim can't back down lest he loses both his deterrences as the madman and as a nuclear power. The ladder for either side to back down is being slowly pulled from them, are they aware of it?
 

plawolf

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I made a similar post on CDF, but essentially my thoughts are that NK is indeed a threat to China and it needs to be taken care of. I think China has done a great job of convincing the world that NK is other people's problem, and it's time to cash in on that. Here's my x-posted comment from 2 days ago:



Events since then:
1) Trump has begun moving assets toward the Korean peninsula
2) The Chinese press is vaguely supporting the American position while declaring Trump a man who'd "honor his promises" via a Global Times op-ed, which we know is usually just a bluster-filled tabloid but the western press seems to take seriously
3) Fear is rising in SK that Trump may go rogue and attack NK

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My x-posted commentary on the more recent development:

Problem with that idea is geography.

Just look at the massive headache Syrian refugees are causing all of Europe and the violence and unrest the conflict had fuelled in Turkey.

The golden rule of life also applies to countries - don't shit where you live.

Even if China can contain the war to NK only, it will still face a flood of refugees coming into and either a conquered US client state stuffed to the gills with US troops and bases, or a chaotic failed state on its boarder.

The US has a long and proud history of walking away after creating a giant mess militarily. That mess would be China's problem afterwards.

It would not bog down the US or drain its resources or power, quite the contrary, it would become a source of instability that China would eventually be obligated to sort out.

I can see China being happy to help manoeuvre the US into fighting a pointless war with one of America's land neighbours. But to invite US military action in Korea is to go looking to create problems for yourself.

The only viable military option with NK is total conquest and complete nation building afterwards. Anything less will just make a bad situation worse.

China has no intention of investing the time, resources and blood needed for such a massive undertaking. And no one else has the capability or willpower for an undertaking on that scale.

As Iraq II showed, without a viable post conflict exit strategy, it is pure folly to charge into a war.
 

SampanViking

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I think it can stated a bit more simply Wolfie.
I see or hear nothing that leads me to believe that the basic stance of China today is any different from that of 1950.
This means that while the Cease Fire along the DMZ is far from perfect, it is at least acceptable.
If however the balance of power changes or even looks to be about to change against China's interest, I cannot see China having any other option, but to proactively support the full reunification of the peninsular under Pyongyang.
All else; I would say, is either disinformation or wishful thinking from MSM pundits.
 

B.I.B.

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NORTH Korea leader Kim Jong-un has reportedly ordered residents of the country’s capital Pyongyang to leave the city immediately, sparking fears he may be preparing for war.

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