AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
Your god the US says China has always been hated.
Yes a sufficiently large enough population is necessary and no one is suggesting China's population to drop so dramatically, and it probably never barring some huge disaster, further the population of other advanced countries will most likely drop to unsustainable level long before that happens. Also while we are at it, the US has only about 1/4 of the population of China and yet for almost 100 years was the most powerful economy, because they were able to use their citizen to generate wealth. China is rising because that have tapped into and successfully use this resource.The problem is that your entire argument is that
1) A large population by itself is not sufficient to be a great power
I argue this is true yes, but it is necessary. Proportionately a small population will only mean you can be a subordinate power.
2) India will never be able to industrialize
I would argue that you underestimate India. India is a great country with very smart people.
You say they will never be able to have manufacturing out of China and into India, but .
India's steel output by 2018 was 2nd the world, ahead of Japan and the United States.
Between 2010-2017, India's Internet users increased from 8% of the population to 34% of the population.
India is rising.
So it is a burden and a blessing, China's economy would be just as good with a population of 500 million? 100 million? 10 million?
Don't drink the cool aid. If US loved China so much during the Deng era, then why did they try the Original color revolution there (Tiananmen)? It's purely for making money off of them while trying to contain the soviets.No, the US loved China back in the day.
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US wanted to welcome China as a great power, develop China's economy. At the same time the US would profit China would profit. It was a great win-win for 30 years. Eventually China was going to surpass the US under this system. Everyone knew this and actually the US was ok with it. All the US wanted in return was for China to become in the world order and liberalize gradually.
Instead China became a hypernationalist authoritarian power that became even more hardline. So the US realized it made a mistake, it built up its own competitor and created its own monster by its own hand. That is why the US hates China so much now, because it loved it before. The bad news for China is that the US still has the clout to seriously damage and stop China's rise.
Yes supply chains are moving and it is inevitable it will move, and yes assembly can be done anywhere, but this involves opportunity cost, for a company to successfully move to another location, you are forgetting the setup costs necessary, even if they are outsourcing to Foxconn, Foxconn will have to bear that cost. Its not as simple as giving China the finger and moving somewhere else and bam done. Massive companies like Apple might be able to do this but how many Apples are there, further there isn't as much incentive for Apple to be based in China anymore, all thanks to Trump, as their main market is mainly the rest of the world and most importantly the US, otherwise if they still have a good market share in China, you think they will leave.Gradually the supply chain is moving, and alternative supply chains are being created. This is the choice of companies like Apple, and other foreign companies. Assembly can be moved anywhere with enough will and prodding from government policy. But what China cannot do is move advanced photolithography manufacturing to China, because China lacks the know-how to do it, no matter how much willpower or what the government investment is. Thus this is a vulnerability.
That is due to the smearing campaign by some adversary which is itself a hostile and racist regime.China was not hated until very recently. During the Deng, Jiang and Hu eras China was seen as opening up and liberalizing. This belief persisted until around 2015. Now China is beginning to be hated, but still coasting on past successes. It will still have some successes, but it is being more and more hated and this will eventually stall out China, as it is already beginning to do. It is foolish to say that being hated is good.
He is troll, but since he's such a persistent little pest and the mods here don't ban alts on suspicion, I thought it might be interesting to examine tidalwave's diseased psychology and explain why he keeps pushing the "China should appease" narrative.Don't waste your time with someone intended to troll. Don't break any forum rules. It isn't worth it.