China's SCS Strategy Thread

Japhethsdecendent

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Why is it imparative that China grab all this water? I get that there is oil and fish in there but why is it worth starting a war over? Did someone make actual moves to cut china off from the sea? Even if so how is this strategy the way to go?
 

SimaQian

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Why is it imparative that China grab all this water? I get that there is oil and fish in there but why is it worth starting a war over? Did someone make actual moves to cut china off from the sea? Even if so how is this strategy the way to go?
Think it this way. Imagine you have a house in a small land with a front yard. A little left side if your property somebody got pillbox with machine gun. A little right side of property somebody got a watch tower with soldiers with machine gun. Accross the street there is a cannon aimed to your house. What will you do if this the case? Should you just dig yourself in the basement?

You apply that to China where the front yard is the Bohai sea down to South China sea. You do some research how many US bases are there in Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Australia.. Who is sending warships and warplanes from far away places for a lame reason of freedom of navigation? Are the mechart ships from Korea , Japan or whoever not free to sail in South China sea?

If China will not secure its front lawn, pretty sure those aiming for China will raid and pillage its house. And we all know who is aiming at China house.


Edit: Somebody did raid China house before. Britain, France, even germany got a spoil. Even our brotherly neighbor for thousands of years, Japan, stabbed in front not in the back. So what will China do?
 
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manqiangrexue

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Why must china build up and break out?
Because 1.4 billion Chinese people deserve to have their interests guarded by the most powerful, most uninhibited military in the world.
Why is it imparative that China grab all this water? I get that there is oil and fish in there but why is it worth starting a war over? Did someone make actual moves to cut china off from the sea? Even if so how is this strategy the way to go?
Because it belongs to China and every inch of Chinese territory is worth going to war over. If other countries believe that oil and fish are not worth going to war over, then they should very smartly get out of China's way.

Why is it imperative that the USN sail out of their territorial waters? Why should they keep the land they stole from the Native Americans? Why is it imperative that the British keep the Falklands or the Chagos Archipelago? You're barkin' up the wrong tree.
 

Petrolicious88

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This is a very dangerous game the US military is playing. While it is may be a low risk underhanded trick by impersonating a commercial flight as far as the US military is concern, it elevates the risk of accidents to commercial flights route and consequently to whole region.
You can’t bet that the US will play this kind of games during an actual conflict; hoping China would make the mistake of accidentally shooting down a civilian airliner.
 

Petrolicious88

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Because 1.4 billion Chinese people deserve to have their interests guarded by the most powerful, most uninhibited military in the world.

Because it belongs to China and every inch of Chinese territory is worth going to war over. If other countries believe that oil and fish are not worth going to war over, then they should very smartly get out of China's way.

Why is it imperative that the USN sail out of their territorial waters? Why should they keep the land they stole from the Native Americans? Why is it imperative that the British keep the Falklands or the Chagos Archipelago? You're barkin' up the wrong tree.
The entire South China Sea does not belong to China, lol. But the reason China needs to control all areas within the 9 dash line is for strategic and geopolitical reasons.

The US has bases throughout the pacific. It has China boxed in via its bases in Japan, Korea, Philippines, Etc. China simply wants to be in control of its own backyard.
 

manqiangrexue

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Firstly I thought china was not trying to overtake the US or take it's place but china's actions seem to speak otherwise. China seems to be saying if we don't attack first we will be attacked. But for at least a decade china has been very aggressive in it's area and other countries will testify. Like claiming water closer to another nation than your own. That is not a defensive action. Unless china takes over the whole world there will always be "someone with a machine gun" next door. Also China isn't exactly a small lightly defended country so this idea that they are scared of japan or some small US bases compared to china seems odd. Nobody was stopping the chinese from shipping lanes or from exploiting eez territorial waters. But for some reason that was not good enough for china.
Your first sentence shows that you likely don't even have the mental capacity to debate here. Who would think that China would be intent on being number 2? Better yet, what nation would ever give up a chance to be the world's strongest? There are only ambitious nations and nations that aren't ambitious because they don't have a chance.

You have things backwards; America has gotten more aggressive because it fears that if it doesn't attack now, China will soon become too powerful to challenge. They are trying to find a weakness but stalling because they realize they may already be too late.
Why do you think it's been so easy for the US to build what's turning into an asian nato? China has made that too easy. The chinese used to be biding their time but they have been like hitler invading russia lately. This adventure is turning the world against china and outing it's true intentions, I was more intimidated by china when they were more shrewd. Now it seems they are acting desperate if anything. SCS isn't the only place this sort of thing is happening but it's the most prominent. China grew accustomed to an America and world that ignored what they were doing and now that things have changed they don't seem to be coping well. Others weren't going to be stupid forever. Now that the cat is largely out of the bag china seems to be continuing on. Seems like china can back off and try to get others guard down and continue world conquest plans in a more slow gradual stealth fashion or keep getting bellicose and get bottled up. Another way to put it is china has played cold warrior for decades and the US and to a lesser extent the west has just started recently.
You have the sequence of events backwards. America's alliance with Asian nations was formed when China was weakest and America at its peak dominance; now that China is becoming stronger, that alliance is actually fraying like in the Philippines, which has realized that to get one's way in Asia, you buddy up with China, because the US cannot get it for you if China does not allow. Each time this happens, the "alliance" frays some more until it's dissolved. You have the relationship in inverse; the stronger China is, the less America has influence in Asia, not the other way.
All this to say or ask what is china's plan here? Do they think they can push this coalition around essentially by itself? Maybe before this coaltion formed and some years ago this plan might have made sense but things have changed a lot the last 4 years and trends if anything have reversed. And playing with major war for what? Your analogy was an unarmed civilain surrounded by heavily armed people but 2000-2010 china was not in danger from neighbors that I could recall. It's a self fulfilling prophecy.
The plan is simple: become the strongest nation in the world. The "alliance" falls apart and comes to China's side as each of its members realize that this is the new biggest kid on the block and it always pays to be on such a person's side.
 
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