China's SCS Strategy Thread


Firstly I thought china was not trying to overtake the US or take it's place but china's actions seem to speak otherwise. China seems to be saying if we don't attack first we will be attacked. But for at least a decade china has been very aggressive in it's area and other countries will testify. Like claiming water closer to another nation than your own. That is not a defensive action. Unless china takes over the whole world there will always be "someone with a machine gun" next door. Also China isn't exactly a small lightly defended country so this idea that they are scared of japan or some small US bases compared to china seems odd. Nobody was stopping the chinese from shipping lanes or from exploiting eez territorial waters. But for some reason that was not good enough for china.
Your first sentence shows that you likely don't even have the mental capacity to debate here. Who would think that China would be intent on being number 2? Better yet, what nation would ever give up a chance to be the world's strongest? There are only ambitious nations and nations that aren't ambitious because they don't have a chance.

You have things backwards; America has gotten more aggressive because it fears that if it doesn't attack now, China will soon become too powerful to challenge. They are trying to find a weakness but stalling because they realize they may already be too late.
Why do you think it's been so easy for the US to build what's turning into an asian nato? China has made that too easy. The chinese used to be biding their time but they have been like hitler invading russia lately. This adventure is turning the world against china and outing it's true intentions, I was more intimidated by china when they were more shrewd. Now it seems they are acting desperate if anything. SCS isn't the only place this sort of thing is happening but it's the most prominent. China grew accustomed to an America and world that ignored what they were doing and now that things have changed they don't seem to be coping well. Others weren't going to be stupid forever. Now that the cat is largely out of the bag china seems to be continuing on. Seems like china can back off and try to get others guard down and continue world conquest plans in a more slow gradual stealth fashion or keep getting bellicose and get bottled up. Another way to put it is china has played cold warrior for decades and the US and to a lesser extent the west has just started recently.
You have the sequence of events backwards. America's alliance with Asian nations was formed when China was weakest and America at its peak dominance; now that China is becoming stronger, that alliance is actually fraying like in the Philippines, which has realized that to get one's way in Asia, you buddy up with China, because the US cannot get it for you if China does not allow. Each time this happens, the "alliance" frays some more until it's dissolved. You have the relationship in inverse; the stronger China is, the less America has influence in Asia, not the other way.
All this to say or ask what is china's plan here? Do they think they can push this coalition around essentially by itself? Maybe before this coaltion formed and some years ago this plan might have made sense but things have changed a lot the last 4 years and trends if anything have reversed. And playing with major war for what? Your analogy was an unarmed civilain surrounded by heavily armed people but 2000-2010 china was not in danger from neighbors that I could recall. It's a self fulfilling prophecy.
The plan is simple: become the strongest nation in the world. The "alliance" falls apart and comes to China's side as each of its members realize that this is the new biggest kid on the block and it always pays to be on such a person's side.
 
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Japhethsdecendent

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How is starting ww3 over some territory that is closer to other countries than you in anybodies interest? You think you can just keep taking and invading forever? The US used much softer tactics which is why it has proliferated around the world. China doesn't treat it's minorities well so why would anybody want to be or accept being ruled by it? What's in it for them? They get to be controlled and under emperor xi? China can't fight the US alone let alone the coalition around it as well so what is the end game? Your blind stupid aggression has destroyed your main advantage and that was people were ignoring what you were doing and now that is largely gone. I though china would keep building up and when it was some sort of hyperpower then unleash it's aggression but it blew its' cover much too early.

As to the natives they were an inferior culture and don't really resist, many serve in our military. I like how at least you admit it is a land grab but don't play the victim anymore. The world knows you want to take over the world but you are stuck in the first island chain and every day more restrictions and decoupling with the world economy is happening along with sanctions and other nations military build up. It's not going to be like it was before. Why can't you read between the lines? All this does is turn china into the 21st century nazi germany. But the blitzkrieg hasn't happened yet. Surprise is largely gone. It's true that one can question why a nation should be the world police but since we already have that why should we replace current powers with china? An arguement better than "we chinese we own world now" would be less laughable at least. This is nothing but hubris but is pointless. There is nothing wrong with keeping sea lanes open and current international laws in regards to borders and sea rights.
 
First of all, you are unable to answer any of my points; you just vomit ignorant babble like below.
How is starting ww3 over some territory that is closer to other countries than you in anybodies interest? You think you can just keep taking and invading forever? The US used much softer tactics which is why it has proliferated around the world. China doesn't treat it's minorities well so why would anybody want to be or accept being ruled by it? What's in it for them? They get to be controlled and under emperor xi? China can't fight the US alone let alone the coalition around it as well so what is the end game? Your blind stupid aggression has destroyed your main advantage and that was people were ignoring what you were doing and now that is largely gone. I though china would keep building up and when it was some sort of hyperpower then unleash it's aggression but it blew its' cover much too early.
If you don't want WWIII, don't mess with China. It takes 2 to tango. Secondly, America is the most violent and aggressive country in the world starting more wars and killing more civilians than any other nation. Thirdly, in China, minorities have more kids; in America, they get more bullets. You are blind; China will fight no coalition; the "coalition" will dissolve itself and come to China's side as it realizes that China is more powerful and more righteous than the US, the latter of which is easily demonstrated in 2020. Finally, China's main advantage is the largest population of the most highly intelligent and educated people in the world. I already told you the end game. See if you're literate.
As to the natives they were an inferior culture and don't really resist, many serve in our military. I like how at least you admit it is a land grab but don't play the victim anymore. The world knows you want to take over the world but you are stuck in the first island chain and every day more restrictions and decoupling with the world economy is happening along with sanctions and other nations military build up. It's not going to be like it was before. Why can't you read between the lines? All this does is turn china into the 21st century nazi germany. But the blitzkrieg hasn't happened yet. Surprise is largely gone. It's true that one can question why a nation should be the world police but since we already have that why should we replace current powers with china? An arguement better than "we chinese we own world now" would be less laughable at least. This is nothing but hubris but is pointless. There is nothing wrong with keeping sea lanes open and current international laws in regards to borders and sea rights.
Minorities have more complaints in the US than in China. China never wants to be the world police but will not tolerate one in its one backyard either. Sea lanes are all open; Chinese ownership does not shut them down. And lastly, Germany lost because it was the size of an American state and it still put up one hell of a fight; China is the full size of the US and morally righteous. America may choose whether or not to let its fear of a rising China drive it into WWIII, but be warned, either way, WWII will be America's final proud memory.
 
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How is starting ww3 over some territory that is closer to other countries than you in anybodies interest? You think you can just keep taking and invading forever? The US used much softer tactics which is why it has proliferated around the world. China doesn't treat it's minorities well so why would anybody want to be or accept being ruled by it? What's in it for them? They get to be controlled and under emperor xi? China can't fight the US alone let alone the coalition around it as well so what is the end game? Your blind stupid aggression has destroyed your main advantage and that was people were ignoring what you were doing and now that is largely gone. I though china would keep building up and when it was some sort of hyperpower then unleash it's aggression but it blew its' cover much too early.

As to the natives they were an inferior culture and don't really resist, many serve in our military. I like how at least you admit it is a land grab but don't play the victim anymore. The world knows you want to take over the world but you are stuck in the first island chain and every day more restrictions and decoupling with the world economy is happening along with sanctions and other nations military build up. It's not going to be like it was before. Why can't you read between the lines? All this does is turn china into the 21st century nazi germany. But the blitzkrieg hasn't happened yet. Surprise is largely gone. It's true that one can question why a nation should be the world police but since we already have that why should we replace current powers with china? An arguement better than "we chinese we own world now" would be less laughable at least. This is nothing but hubris but is pointless. There is nothing wrong with keeping sea lanes open and current international laws in regards to borders and sea rights.
1). US uses softer tactics because it already is a global hegemon. And to maintain its hegemony, it has started 10+ wars in the last 50 years. Hundreds of thousands of muslims (including many women and children) in the Middle East have died because of greed for Oil and power.

2). The US has China surrounded in the SCS with bases in Koran and Japan. China feels constrained and needs to breakout if it ever wants to be a great power. US can talk about freedom of navigation because it benefits its own hegemony in Asia.

3). US has made hundreds of billions of dollars off the sweat and tears of Chinese labor. Chinese made 10cents on the dollar, while US corps like Apple, Boeing, and thousands of others took the lion share of the profits. The US was perfectly fine with China making cheap Nike shoes and T-shirts. But why should China be slaves to the West forever, Chinese people have ambitions of their own. This entire trade war started because China is on the verge of catching up to the west in military and technological prowess. It has nothing to do with human rights, Xinjing, Hong Kong or whatever.

4). China is the new Nazi Germany. Really? Last time I checked, China lifted 800 million people out of poverty in just 30 years. The fastest in human history. The vast majority of Chinese people have higher standard of living now than just 10 years ago.
 

Japhethsdecendent

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Apparently you are not aware of CCP talking points because I was quoting them. Why would anybody I like how you admit you are doing a power grab but get angry at the US and friends for not letting china control large swaths of ocean randomly. It's just freedom of navigation nobody is invading china. China if anything seems to be getting weaker, it may have reached its zenith. With points I brought up earlier and more china's rise on easy mode is over I would think many would agree. Even ccp propaganda speeches are talking about struggle this and fight that. The chinese population is being prepared for hardship. Not only are there continuing economic constraints but the gloves are coming off in terms of military build up in the US and other nations. I don't know the details as well for others but I will highlight the ones I know. Nations around are buying significant numbers of f-35s. China's build up is nothing new it's been going on for decades. China seems to be building fighters at a moderate pace and ships at a high pace.

China's ballistic missiles are nice to make up for lack of either numbers of platform effectiveness but that won't last long in a war those missiles will probably be depleted fast. Hard to say how effective they would be. The US has a large advantage in the air and still some at sea. China has home field advantage but has less friends and has island barriers that are mostly hostile to it penning it in. China is starting to put out major surface combatants at a fast pace like type55 but they have catching up to do with numbers. In the air front which I think is most important long term the US not only is ahead but seems to be pulling away if anything. Not only with numbers of 5gens or advanced 4th gens but in development of 5gens and now 6gen coming along. Spy-6,sm-6 upgrade, f-22 mlu, f-35 upgrade, aim-260, perhaps other air to air missiles, next gen harm, JSM cruise missile for f-35, f-35c on US carriers, f-35B on lightning carriers, lifting restrictions on missile development from INF treaty to also put missiles around the pacific, and b-21 to name high profile change all probably within 5 years and some as soon as 2 years. I know china is more secretive but what will it do to counter all that? Finally finish j-20s engine? Keep pumping out modern but not cutting edge ships? It seems the US has kicked into high gear and I am wondering what china will do to not fall behind? Hopefully you give a serious answer it's a genuine question.
 

Japhethsdecendent

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They will never believe china is more rightous they don't have chinese bases for a reason. If china wants peace it can stop it's military build up and territorial grabs along with tech theft and so on. You are no2 for a reason and frankly that is too much for you if this is what you are going to do with it. If nobody was doing anything to you then why do you need to own that water? Even duterte is wary of china's influence and is getting bolder as the coalition gets bolder. You really think the US, japan, Austrailia, india are going to just kneel down to your demands? You are making this all too easy to counter. If china was going to intimidate them into submission it would have happened by now. Even tiawan is arming and getting more confident.
 

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They will never believe china is more rightous they don't have chinese bases for a reason. If china wants peace it can stop it's military build up and territorial grabs along with tech theft and so on. You are no2 for a reason and frankly that is too much for you if this is what you are going to do with it. If nobody was doing anything to you then why do you need to own that water? Even duterte is wary of china's influence and is getting bolder as the coalition gets bolder. You really think the US, japan, Austrailia, india are going to just kneel down to your demands? You are making this all too easy to counter. If china was going to intimidate them into submission it would have happened by now. Even tiawan is arming and getting more confident.
Yawn, what ever.....
 

Japhethsdecendent

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Securing sea lanes benefits easy global trade. You are going to blame the plight of chinese people on the US? The US doesn't control china. China is controlled buy a communist dictatorship and I don't care if it has ambitions I don't want that influence in the world. My ambition is to stay as free as possible and China growing doesn't help that end. China largely has the US and nixon to thank for it's recent wealth and technology and everyone knows it. The chinese who were laboring on the cheap would be peasants if not for the US opening up trade with them but that was an obvious mistake. Never give communists money or power they will just want more. The US isn't perfect but the ccp makes them look good by comparison. Maybe china can get richer while not taking over the world.
 
Apparently you are not aware of CCP talking points because I was quoting them. Why would anybody I like how you admit you are doing a power grab but get angry at the US and friends for not letting china control large swaths of ocean randomly. It's just freedom of navigation nobody is invading china. China if anything seems to be getting weaker, it may have reached its zenith. With points I brought up earlier and more china's rise on easy mode is over I would think many would agree. Even ccp propaganda speeches are talking about struggle this and fight that. The chinese population is being prepared for hardship. Not only are there continuing economic constraints but the gloves are coming off in terms of military build up in the US and other nations. I don't know the details as well for others but I will highlight the ones I know. Nations around are buying significant numbers of f-35s. China's build up is nothing new it's been going on for decades. China seems to be building fighters at a moderate pace and ships at a high pace.
Apparently, you are not aware of anything going on inside China. China was growing at 3x the pace of America, it's starting to get technologies that the US does not have, and now, with COVID, that is even more pronounced due to America's gaff. If you interpret this as China getting weaker, you clearly cannot be reasoned with and need to be left in your own little world. Easy mode is over because China is ascending from the tons of cheap labor phase into the technology-driven phase. Chinese people specialize at overcoming hardship; at no time in history was the gap between China and the US closer than now.

China's ballistic missiles are nice to make up for lack of either numbers of platform effectiveness but that won't last long in a war those missiles will probably be depleted fast. Hard to say how effective they would be. The US has a large advantage in the air and still some at sea. China has home field advantage but has less friends and has island barriers that are mostly hostile to it penning it in. China is starting to put out major surface combatants at a fast pace like type55 but they have catching up to do with numbers. In the air front which I think is most important long term the US not only is ahead but seems to be pulling away if anything. Not only with numbers of 5gens or advanced 4th gens but in development of 5gens and now 6gen coming along. Spy-6,sm-6 upgrade, f-22 mlu, f-35 upgrade, aim-260, perhaps other air to air missiles, next gen harm, JSM cruise missile for f-35, f-35c on US carriers, f-35B on lightning carriers, lifting restrictions on missile development from INF treaty to also put missiles around the pacific, and b-21 to name high profile change all probably within 5 years and some as soon as 2 years. I know china is more secretive but what will it do to counter all that? Finally finish j-20s engine? Keep pumping out modern but not cutting edge ships? It seems the US has kicked into high gear and I am wondering what china will do to not fall behind? Hopefully you give a serious answer it's a genuine question.
The missiles will be depleted fast, but not faster than American assets they sink. Play numbers game against missiles? LOLOL America is losing its dominance as new Chinese technologies come into play like hypersonic ICBMs and ships that are the most modern and powerful in the world like the 055. China is eroding America's technological advantage while building faster than any other country. America wouldn't be so scared and irritable if it wasn't the case. America may try to kick into high gear, but even that high gear is being outstripped by a China that's just simply growing into its right gear.
They will never believe china is more rightous they don't have chinese bases for a reason. If china wants peace it can stop it's military build up and territorial grabs along with tech theft and so on. You are no2 for a reason and frankly that is too much for you if this is what you are going to do with it. If nobody was doing anything to you then why do you need to own that water? Even duterte is wary of china's influence and is getting bolder as the coalition gets bolder. You really think the US, japan, Austrailia, india are going to just kneel down to your demands? You are making this all too easy to counter. If china was going to intimidate them into submission it would have happened by now. Even tiawan is arming and getting more confident.
Never is a long long time; apparently, you didn't know that this year, China overtook America in the global approval scale. No military in the world builds as fast as China. If America wants peace, it will never interfere with Chinese affairs. China's no2 because it spent a few hundred years in dynastic rule neglecting science. In the recent decades, it rose from the bottom to no2; in time, it will be no1 for a reason and that is because China has the highest population of intelligent, education-driven people in the world governed by the most effective government in the world. Taiwan's scared and complaining that PLAAF fighters are flying next to it telling it this is Chinese territory. Do I think they'll all kneel to China? Well, China's been reclaiming and expanding its territory in the SCS successfully, hasn't it? With China's rise, more submission from its neighbors will come in time.
Securing sea lanes benefits easy global trade. You are going to blame the plight of chinese people on the US? The US doesn't control china. China is controlled buy a communist dictatorship and I don't care if it has ambitions I don't want that influence in the world. My ambition is to stay as free as possible and China growing doesn't help that end. China largely has the US and nixon to thank for it's recent wealth and technology and everyone knows it. The chinese who were laboring on the cheap would be peasants if not for the US opening up trade with them but that was an obvious mistake. Never give communists money or power they will just want more. The US isn't perfect but the ccp makes them look good by comparison. Maybe china can get richer while not taking over the world.
Who cares what you want in the world? 1.4 Chinese people want different. You want your freedom, stay out of China's way; nobody will come for that worthless crap. How pathetic of you to try to take credit for China's advances; America exploited China and China exploited America back. Guess we see who won that exchange, eh? LOL And nobody makes the US look good in comparison; even Somalia's pretty close right now looking at the police brutality in the US.
 
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