China's SCS Strategy Thread

[Air Force Brat]

I believe China will do whatever the heck china wants in the SCS and short of them doing something totally illegal and wrong where actual human lives are lost and where some fairly reasonable Chinaphiles here would even gasp, there is really not much the US can or will do about it.
All this back and forth rhetoric and dog and pony show is for the consumption of the national voting public.
In truth, the US (regardless of who the POTUS is) has very little influence on Chinese ambitions and intentions in the SCS.
That is the damn truth and as hard as it is for me to admit it's really the reality.

Actually Kwai, we're just trying to maintain a level playing field, making it clear that we will maintain freedom of navigation.. why is that a problem if people have no ill intent... and it does make a difference "who" is President...

Maybe you should touch base with some of your peers who are still serving in the US military,, there are grave concerns over basic "seamanship" in the Jr. Officer ranks, the previous administration "cutting the heart out of core skill sets",, Jr. Officers where unable to read and navigate with radar in poor conditions, and showed a decisive hesitancy when navigating the vessel out of harms way... proven without a shadow of a doubt in the McCain collision.

So there has been a butt-kicking, and some have lost their jobs, and some have been "jacked up", the point is that core competency is a prime focus of our immediate future. So yes, it does matter who the President is, and yes Mr. Trump has appointed Mr. Mattis to maintain FON in the SCS, he does indeed mean it, to attribute such operations as "posturing", leads our adversaries to the mistaken impression that we will not act, and you of all people here on SDF should know better than that.

I can assure you, Secretary Mattis and Secretary Pompeo are not "posturing" for the camera..

 

[manqiangrexue]

I actually do give Obama credit for the Pacific Pivot,,, however Mr. Obama was actually unable to grasp the gravity of the situation with China, his lack of knowledge and contempt for China evident. Michelle and her Mom were very poor representatives of the US, demeaning and degrading their Chinese hosts and hostesses, so our relations with China suffered, so much so that on Obama's last visit, nobody bothered to roll out the air stair.. not that I blame them...

I was very happy to vote for Mr. Trump, he has proven himself pro-military, pro-life, pro-family, pro-tax cut, pro healthcare, killing the "unconstitutional individual mandate", and rolling back the massive bureaucracy that kept good Drs. from practicing good medicine....

In addition the American Economy has rebounded, the Keystone pipeline and coal are allowing us to produce and export energy, and the military is in the process of being returned to some semblance of functionality...and manufacturing has returned to the US in a big way, all good things for America, good things for our friends,,,, so yes, I am pro- Trump, he's willing to learn, and humbled by the great honor he has been afforded by the American people.

but no, I'm not a typical American, most American's have no idea, and don't care about freedom of navigation anywhere, and if you asked them to point out China on the map, or the South China Sea, they'd be very unlikely to have a clue!

I on the other hand, do care what happens on this grand planet we live on, and NO I don't think the Gulf of Mexico belongs to Mexico, or the Sea of Japan belongs to Japan, anymore that I believe the SCS belongs to China,,,,, those FON OPs make it clear to China and the rest of the world that the US Govt doesn't believe that either!

The rest of your daydreams, I don't care about. The part in bold, no. These operations only show China that it must prioritize military modernization to forcefully guard its sovereignty or the West will try to invade Chinese territories. It shows China that the only meaningful way to deal with the West is to grow her military strength until China has the power to declare her territories off limits and no foreign nation would dare challenge it lest their ships be sunk immediately.

I can assure you, Secretary Mattis and Secretary Pompeo are not "posturing" for the camera..

Action (or in this case, inaction) speaks louder than words. And that assurance carries as much weight as your "assurance" that you can estimate the J-20's fuel capacity to the gallon just by eye-balling it... from your experiences as a prop plane mechanic LOL

 

[Air Force Brat]

Just leave the 'American Brat' to his day dreams.

Thanks for the compliment! and yes, in America, we still have dreams, in fact I've had several of my life long dreams come true lately! I'm a very proud American Air Force Brat! and very Thankful for my country, and patriots who dreamed dreams!

 

[Air Force Brat]

The rest of your daydreams, I don't care about. The part in bold, no. These operations only show China that it must prioritize military modernization to forcefully guard its sovereignty or the West will try to invade Chinese territories. It shows China that the only meaningful way to deal with the West is to grow her military strength until China has the power to declare her territories off limits and no foreign nation would dare challenge it lest their ships be sunk immediately.

Action (or in this case, inaction) speaks louder than words. And that assurance carries as much weight as your "assurance" that you can estimate the J-20's fuel capacity to the gallon just by eye-balling it... from your experiences as a prop plane mechanic LOL

I really don't give a rats ass how much fuel the J-20 carry's Mangi, and I certainly never stated a capacity in gallons or liters. I will state that the J-20 has been designed for long range over water patrols, so I imagine it carries at least as much fuel as the SU-35...

 

[manqiangrexue]

I really don't give a rats ass how much fuel the J-20 carry's Mangi, and I certainly never stated a capacity in gallons or liters. I will state that the J-20 has been designed for long range over water patrols, so I imagine it carries at least as much fuel as the SU-35...

Hmmm that's really funny, cus people who don't give a rat's ass about something don't usually post pages and pages on the topic... Anyway, you never said that? Memory fail LOLOL. https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/j-20-discussion-on-dimensions-weight.t8231/page-7#post-486718 Didn't think I could find this, did you?

 

[Air Force Brat]

Been meaning to ask you about that. You've never actually served in the USAF before, right? And you're like 80+ years old, right? So you're not Air Force, and 80+ is no one's definition of a "brat." So why don't you just go with "Old Prop Mechanic" for your screen name? That's far more honest. Is it because your dad served in the USAF so that means that when you were a kid, you were an Air Force brat? I think 80 is old enough for you to stop defining yourself by who your father was...

Actually my Dad taught me some manners, my Dad also taught me how to fly, and I'm not 80 years old. Your lack of honor and respect,,,, its telling, it really is...I've been blessed to be an Air Force Brat, and yeah, I'm proud of it, and I'm proud of my Dad! Goodnight!

 

[Air Force Brat]

Hmmm that's really funny, cus people who don't give a rat's ass about something don't usually post pages and pages on the topic... Anyway, you never said that? Memory fail LOLOL. https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/j-20-discussion-on-dimensions-weight.t8231/page-7#post-486718 Didn't think I could find this, did you?

Obviously you don't recognize the "collective we" is a reference to the US military, and yes, they no doubt know, within a couple of hundred gallons what it carries, and no doubt within a ton of what it weighs and how much thrust it generates....

I quite specifically did NOT state a gallon amount.

 

[Air Force Brat]

Did your dad teach you how to bullshit off topic too? Respect is earned and your constant pretending to know things that you don't has not earned mine nor that of many people on this forum. Honor? I doubt that a person who wants to known as the Air Force Brat without ever serving in the Air Force even knows the definition of the term.

Good night Mangi!

 

[manqiangrexue]

Obviously you don't recognize the "collective we" is a reference to the US military, and yes, they no doubt know, within a couple of hundred gallons what it carries, and no doubt within a ton of what it weighs and how much thrust it generates....

I quite specifically did NOT state a gallon amount.

You said "our team," which in that argument, means you and Trident. You're not on the US military team, Brat! Will you ever stop pretending to be? LOL. And even if you did say the US military team, you still made a claim with absolutely zero evidence or backing, exactly like your claim that Mattis/Pompeo wasn't just posturing (when in real factual life, he did exactly that and backed it up with no concrete actions). And "to the few gallons" is the same as claiming to know how many gallons, except you're not not giving a number because you don't know.

PS. I also find it very funny that in your original quote, you said to the 1000 pounds and to the few gallons and now that's suddenly to the ton and to the few hundred gallons. You really do just imagine stuff as you say it and habitually pass it off as fact! You can't stop yourself, even now haha

Good night Mangi!

Sure, you can read this when you wake up. Your honesty problems don't go away after you sleep LOL

 

[ougoah]

Actually it wouldn't be hard for the USN alone to take or destroy those islands. They may not need to "sink" them but unless China wants to pay the price of keeping those islands operational in an actual war, US can achieve what they claim. It's simply the reaction from China they will have to deal with. Their bases are also destroyable unless they want to send everything in to defend them. Respective ranges are scaled according to each military's overall abilities so such an exchange will be quite even. Besides with enough tankers, USAF can get involved as well. China claims sovereignty over those man made islands so an attack on them could be used to justify an attack on US bases and her carrier groups. If they genuinely are convinced that those assets are protected from any Chinese efforts at destroying them, they will up the ante and direct far more serious threats and follow through. At this point, they've been treading lightly. Contrast this with the insane rhetoric against north korea with "fire and fury" statements and direct threats of war despite NK's ability to totally take out South Korea and a chunk of Japan. US caution re SCS should maybe indicate they are not anywhere near confident in taking on China using its military. At least the price to pay is just not worth some waters and islands they have zero claim in anyway.