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Op-Ed: US show of force shows who is really militarizing the South China Sea

By Curtis Stone

According to Western media, China is aggressively building military outposts in the South China Sea in order to push Washington out of Asia. China is hell-bent on dominating Asia—perhaps even the world, at least according to some rabid opponents and critics of China. But as recent events show, it is Washington who is stirring up troubles in the South China Sea, forcing China to beef up its defense capabilities.

Two nuclear-capable US B-52 bombers flew within the vicinity of the Nansha Islands in the South China Sea on Tuesday, according to a report by CNN citing a statement from US Pacific Air Forces. The show of force came days after US Secretary of Defense James Mattis accused China of militarizing the South China Sea.

The use of an offensive strategic weapon for the sole purpose of trying to strike fear into Beijing calls into question the US’s claim that China is using its military power for “intimidation and coercion” in the South China Sea.

The B-52 bomber is a long-standing symbol of US strength and is the backbone of the strike capability of the US Air Force. The long-range bomber is capable of carrying out nuclear missions and is known as an offensive weapon of last resort.

The show of force on China’s doorstep appears to be part of a White House pressure campaign on China. The flyover comes on the heels of a threat to send warships through the Taiwan Strait and other provocations, including a “freedom of navigation” operation in the South China Sea, as well as amid rising anti-China sentiment in the United States.

But if the goal of the flyover was to weaken China’s resolve to protect its territory, it failed miserably. China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs said on Wednesday that China cannot be intimidated, adding that China will take all necessary steps to defend its national sovereignty and security and uphold peace and stability in the South China Sea.

Speaking at a daily news briefing, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said she hoped the United States could clarify whether it thought sending strategic bombers to China’s doorstep counted as militarization.

“If someone armed to teeth comes to your doorstep every now and then, poking around and showing off muscles, aren't you justified in sharpening vigilance, taking precautions, and increasing defense capacities?” Hua asked rhetorically.

Hua suggested that the United States stop playing up the so-called "militarization" in the South China Sea and stop talking through their hat. She also suggested that the United States stop stirring up trouble before it is too late.

“Running amuck is risky,” Hua said, adding that benefit-seeking behavior comes with a cost.

The pressure campaign shows that Washington is stuck in a Cold War mindset. It is ironic to point the finger at China for rising tensions in the South China Sea, while the United States, the greatest military power on the planet, flaunts its power.

Like a Chinese saying goes, jackals and wolves will be met with force, but a friend will be welcomed with wine. It is absurd to accuse China of “intimidation and coercion” in the South China Sea, but it should be understood that China will beat a wolf at its doorstep.
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technically it's related to Wednesday at 7:38 PM
... US B-52s again fly in contested airspace of South China Sea claims

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It's not clear if they sailed within the 12 miles territorial waters of the islands. If not, what's the big deal?

French, UK, and Australia all have been saying they intended to do FON's in SCS for some times now. It's rather vague what exactly they meant and we haven't heard any reports so far that they actually intruded into China's territory. So they're all probably all for propaganda. One thing that is noticeable is that all these FON's ships have been tracked and escorted by Chinese combat ships, which indicate that China's capability to monitor and track ships in SCS have been significantly improved in recent years. It has not always been the case.

In any case, all these high-profiled FON operations, particularly if they intrude China's territorial waters, will have the exactly opposite effects and consequences as these western countries hoped for: the increasing militarization and tighter control of SCS --- by the Chinese. Even if the US, and to a far less extent, their so-called allies, could increase the frequency and number/size of ships they send to SCS, it would not even to begin to match what China can and will put in SCS. I'm not just talking about those artificial islands in Spratly Islands. I'm talking about whatever that will be deployed on those islands, also on Hainan Island, and increasing number and types of PLAN and PLAAF fleet and aircraft, submarines, all kinds of missiles, undersea listening and detection facilities, etc. Eventually, these islands, the mainland around SCS, ships, aircraft and space-based C4ISR assets will form a networked sensor and strike platforms for monitoring, tracking and timely response. The islands will not be anything like the isolated islands in the Pacific during WWII. In fact, it's also not difficult to imagine that if all these so-called FON's provocations continue, at some time, China may announce the SCS ADIZ at the time of its choosing when the situation calls for and when it believes it has adequate assets to enforce it.

That would be ironic, since it would be hugely provocative for China to militarize the SCS to such an extent and declare an ADIZ around SCS. No countries within the region pose any real military threat to China. These FON's will provide the cover and justification for China to do just that.
 

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It's not clear if they sailed within the 12 miles territorial waters of the islands. If not, what's the big deal?

French, UK, and Australia all have been saying they intended to do FON's in SCS for some times now. It's rather vague what exactly they meant and we haven't heard any reports so far that they actually intruded into China's territory. So they're all probably all for propaganda. One thing that is noticeable is that all these FON's ships have been tracked and escorted by Chinese combat ships, which indicate that China's capability to monitor and track ships in SCS have been significantly improved in recent years. It has not always been the case.

In any case, all these high-profiled FON operations, particularly if they intrude China's territorial waters, will have the exactly opposite effects and consequences as these western countries hoped for: the increasing militarization and tighter control of SCS --- by the Chinese. Even if the US, and to a far less extent, their so-called allies, could increase the frequency and number/size of ships they send to SCS, it would not even to begin to match what China can and will put in SCS. I'm not just talking about those artificial islands in Spratly Islands. I'm talking about whatever that will be deployed on those islands, also on Hainan Island, and increasing number and types of PLAN and PLAAF fleet and aircraft, submarines, all kinds of missiles, undersea listening and detection facilities, etc. Eventually, these islands, the mainland around SCS, ships, aircraft and space-based C4ISR assets will form a networked sensor and strike platforms for monitoring, tracking and timely response. The islands will not be anything like the isolated islands in the Pacific during WWII. In fact, it's also not difficult to imagine that if all these so-called FON's provocations continue, at some time, China may announce the SCS ADIZ at the time of its choosing when the situation calls for and when it believes it has adequate assets to enforce it.

That would be ironic, since it would be hugely provocative for China to militarize the SCS to such an extent and declare an ADIZ around SCS. No countries within the region pose any real military threat to China. These FON's will provide the cover and justification for China to do just that.

I'd say almost 100% certain that they sailed outside the 12 miles territorial waters of the islands, so no big deals at all ... only medias and the US made it a big deal .. and good news for most ppl who don't know that stuff
 

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A Floréal class, nearly 3 decades old, and outgunned easily even by an old Jianwei class.

Somehow I don’t think the Chinese were the least bit intimidated by it.

It’s funny the western media is crowing about this deployment like it is supposed to give China pause when all it does is underscore the false narrative they are spinning so furiously about Chinese ‘aggression’ and ‘expansionism’.

That’s not the kind of ship you send if you are seriously worried about the intentions of the other party, because if the Chinese were half as aggressive and keen to seize upon any sign of weakness as the western media would have you believe, such a ship would present as nothing more than a glorified target barge if the Chinese had any ill intent.

It’s nothing more than European brown nosing America as usual. A cheap gift by Macron to his good grooming buddy Trump to try and sweaten him up for the G7 meeting. Which didn’t go as intended if the latest news coming from Canada is anything to go by.
 

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Every thing Curtis Stone writes is pro- China, and anti US?? so what came first Jura, the Chicken, or the egg??

So can somebody post a picture and a profile of Curtis Stone? "the usual suspects??" LOL
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Opinion: US Indo-Pacific strategy is not what it appears to be
2018-06-09 17:16 GMT+8
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The United States now has a new vision for its future relations with Asia in its national security strategy: The Free and Open Indo-Pacific Strategy (FOIP).

The shining façade

In his speech at the 17th Shangri-La Dialogue, which recently concluded in Singapore, US Defense Secretary James Mattis laid out the Trump administration’s vision of FOIP.

Before Mattis, the FOIP concept had been introduced by President Donald Trump, his national security advisor, secretary of state and other senior US officials on various occasions.

The recent National Security Strategy (NSS) and National Defense Strategy (NDS) of the Trump administration highlighted FOIP as an organizing principle for the US presence in the Indo-Pacific region.

The US Pacific Command was renamed the Indo-Pacific Command in May, though its assigned area of responsibility remains unchanged.

Judging from elaborations by US government officials and documents, the term Indo-Pacific refers to the region that extends from the West Coast in the US to India's west coast, covering the whole of the Pacific and part of the Indian Ocean.

The modifiers "free" and "open" mean: nations to be free from coercion and free to choose their own paths; societies to be free in terms of good governance, fundamental rights, transparency and anti-corruption; open sea lines of communication and open airways; open infrastructure, investment and trade.

At first glance and on the surface, these notions and principles are not new; they appear to be altruistic for the welfare of the region in line with universally accepted international norms. China is fine with all those concepts.

Mattis mentioned that "cooperation with China is welcome wherever possible” and the US is “prepared to support China’s choices if they promote long-term peace and prosperity for all in this dynamic region."

"To be clear, we do not ask any country to choose between the United States and China," Mattis said.

The dark side

However, looking behind the shining façade of these words, there we see a dark side of FOIP.

In the above-mentioned US official documents and statements, China has been labeled a "strategic competitor", perceived as a hostile existential threat to "international rules-based order", "American power, influence, and interests", and "American security and prosperity."

China was categorically depicted as a "revisionist power" that seeks "Indo-Pacific regional hegemony in the near-term and displacement of the United States to achieve global preeminence in the future."

It was claimed that "a geopolitical competition between free and repressive visions of world order is taking place in the Indo-Pacific region," and that "China is leveraging military modernization, influence operations, and predatory economics to coerce neighboring countries to reorder the Indo-Pacific region to their advantage."

Obviously, these official US statements assumed that the US is now in an all-round zero-sum strategic competition in which China purposefully strives to overturn the current international and regional order, displaces the US in the Asia Pacific and the whole globe, and challenges US predominance in political, military, economic fields and in terms of global governance.

China has been portrayed like the Soviet Union in the Cold War era.

Since China is perceived as such a foe and threat to the US, then it is no surprise to see arguments that future US policies toward China should primarily aim at countering China through a strong US-anchored coalition that keeps tight grips on US allies such as Japan and Australia and brings ASEAN and India into its orbit, boosting quadrilateral cooperation with Japan, Australia, and India, otherwise known as the Quad.

Hence, an "open and free Indo-Pacific strategy" for the US.

As FOIP has adopted such a blunt, cutthroat zero-sum, ideological, antagonistic and containment-oriented posture toward China, it’s safe to say that the US strategy, up to now, is inherently anti-China, no matter what shining notions it has used or euphemisms it might apply.

Frustration and anxiety

It is the first time in the four-decade China-US diplomatic relations that a US administration has used such categorical, antagonistic language in its official documents and statements to portray China’s behavior and intentions.

In the 1980s, China was viewed as a quasi-ally of the US and a counterweight to the former Soviet Union.

In the 1990s under the Clinton administration, there was a debate on the shifting of the world’s center of gravity from the Atlantic to the Asia Pacific. As a result, the first APEC leaders’ informal meeting was convened in Seattle in 1993 with China’s participation.

The two countries even envisioned building toward "a constructive strategic partnership oriented towards the 21st century."

The first decade of the new century saw George W. Bush drop his presidential campaign rhetoric labeling China as a "strategic competitor." He reached consensus with China to develop a positive, constructive and cooperative relationship.

The neo-Conservatives who always lobbied for a harder stance against China were not able to carry the day.

The Obama administration basically stayed with its commitment to building "a positive, cooperative, and comprehensive U.S.-China relationship."

In promoting his signature rebalance-to-Asia strategy, Obama tried to ensure that the strategy would not appear confrontational to China.

All in all, the idea of engagement has underpinned US policy toward China for the last four decades. Its central rationale was spelled out most clearly by the Trump administration in its December 2017 National Security Strategy: "For decades, U.S. policy was rooted in the belief that support for China’s rise and for its integration into the postwar international order would liberalize China."

However, with the continuing rise of China and increasing Chinese confidence in its own path of development, frustration and anxiety over China have become more apparent in the US.

A fundamental rethinking of the bilateral relationship which has been building for at least two decades in the US has begun to crystallize under the Trump administration.

Advocates of a hawkish stance have made greater inroads into the decision-making process of the US government.

As a result, coupled with a populist and nationalist trend as reflected in Trump’s America First policies, the US has come out with a stronger sense of zero-sum, strategic competition with China. Antagonism toward China has shaped the US Indo-Pacific strategy.

In a globalized, increasingly interdependent world, great opportunities for cooperation will be missed if China-US relations are predicated on the expectation of power rivalry rather than of convergence of national interests.

If the confrontational aspect of the FOIP is retained in practice, it would be detrimental to the shared interests of China-US relations, the Indo-Pacific and the world.

But, borrowing one of President Trump’s most often-used verbal tics: "we'll see what happens."
 
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