China's SCS Strategy Thread

tphuang

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This is from HW前HR, who is very nationalistic but has some sense of where people inside PLA think
当前我们不会夺回中业岛,也不会马上填仙宾礁,一些信息是瞎咋呼的。
我们渔船和海警在两个岛礁附近密接作业,就是要告诉菲律宾,中业岛中国不承认菲律宾的非法行为,更不允许他们和美国人合作,中国需要分分钟能拿下,仙宾礁我们则随时可以填了当岛。
没有拿下中业岛,那是还没有到这个地步,因为必然导致与菲律宾和东盟的关系大波动,连仁爱礁都没有赶走,何况中业岛。至于没有填仙宾礁,2002年中国与东盟签署的《南海各方行为宣言》,大家要求在南沙没有驻人的不要再建设了,所以不会再建设,除非菲律宾被我们指控破坏协议。
特别是,南沙三大岛建设后,现在这两个属于锦上添花,不起战略作用,黄岩岛才是真正战略要点,要搞直接搞黄岩岛。现在东盟是中国顺差大来源,不会搞大的。
虽然现在我们国力起来了,不建设有点吃亏了,但是等我们把绿电都发展到碳中和,南海油气到时候价值其实就不值一提,因为可能成本高很多。而捕鱼权在大量海警船巡逻下则是我们说了算,南海海洋捕鱼实际控制了
Basically, I really hope this is how they think about the matter. No reason to take any more islands or build more island. It will just cause problems with ASEAN countries. It's just not worth it. They already built all they need in those 3 major islands in Spratley.

Also from the point of view of 0-carbon future, the SCS oil exploration has not a lot of value to China.
 

ansy1968

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This is from HW前HR, who is very nationalistic but has some sense of where people inside PLA think

Basically, I really hope this is how they think about the matter. No reason to take any more islands or build more island. It will just cause problems with ASEAN countries. It's just not worth it. They already built all they need in those 3 major islands in Spratley.

Also from the point of view of 0-carbon future, the SCS oil exploration has not a lot of value to China.
Sir its not about oil, it's more about geopolitical strategy, China is willing to share and develop the oil below with other claimant country therefore solidifying their relationship. That kind of leverage is a BIG NO NO for the US, we see how the American thru nefarious ways sabotage NORD STREAM 1 and 2.
 

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Interesting post suggesting some legal methods on how China could weaken or dispute the 2016 SCS "ruling":
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that per UNCLOS, the international arbitration panel did not have jurisdiction because the issues affected its sovereignty, maritime boundary delimitations and military activities. It could try to change international law to be more favorable to it.

Borrowing from the US playbook, it could try to persuade like-minded countries to issue a joint statement of their interpretation of the Convention that broadens the definition of exceptions to compulsory arbitration.

If China could claim exclusive economic zones from high-tide features that it occupies it could legitimately claim a good portion of the area that falls within its historic “nine dash line” claim. But the panel ruled that none of the Spratly features are islands entitled to a 200nm EEZ and continental shelf but just rocks that can only generate a 12nm territorial sea.

China might try to forge a multinational position opposing the part of the arbitration panel’s decision that only features that have a history of a self-sustaining indigenous population are legal islands generating EEZs.

Although technically this decision applies only to China and the Philippines, it does set a precedent. But the US and many other countries around the world violate it.

For the US this includes its claim to EEZs and continental shelves from some of the uninhabited northwestern Hawaiian Islands. The US also claims the same from features in the Pacific that are likely only legal rocks including Midway, Howland, Baker, Johnston, Jarvis, and others.

To bring their claims into accordance with this reasoning and precedent, countries must rescind them, or their opponents must file a complaint under UNCLOS and have it arbitrated. But as China should point out, the US – which has not ratified UNCLOS – cannot be brought to arbitration under the Convention’s dispute-settlement provisions.

In the face of US criticism, China should emphasize its position that is not a threat to freedom of commercial navigation in the South China Sea and that the US military is self-serving and disingenuous when it says it is there to combat that threat. China has not hindered freedom of commercial navigation and is unlikely to do so in peacetime.

It does oppose and protest provocative US intelligence probes in its near waters. But the US conflates freedom of commercial navigation with freedom of navigation for its warships to intimidate and its intelligence vessels and aircraft to spy.

As Beijing should point out, unlike Malaysia and Thailand, China does not ban all foreign military activities in its EEZ without its permission. It does object to what it believes are US practices that are not for peaceful purposes, endanger the environment or constitute marine scientific research without its permission.

As for allegations of bullying, it should point out that the US bullies it and others with its freedom-of-navigation operations with warships and warplanes challenging their claims. It should call on the US to confine its opposition to diplomatic protest that is more consonant with the UN Charter prohibition on the threat to use force.
 

hullopilllw

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Is this for real? It seems Nuland has been assigned to carry out the task of turning PH into Asia's Ukraine in a renewed effort to support Taiwan separatists. Nuland's presence in PH is a worrying sign that the Americans are intent on entrenching themselves in this part of the world :mad:

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US hot money only cater to those software jobs in startups(yes the ones we see going down now due to crashing valuations). Philippines need hardware infrastructure without which there cant be any concrete foundation on which to build a solid economy. And the capability to plan, execute and manage such infrastructure on scale is in limited supply and should not be wasted on nations that has the slightest chance of ganging up with the West against China.
 

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Interesting post suggesting some legal methods on how China could weaken or dispute the 2016 SCS "ruling":
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It is not a ruling but a suggestion rendered by a private court of "arbitration" instead of a legal court with international jurisdiction. As with all arbitration courts, it can only come into effect if both parties agree to use the court to arbitrate their dispute, which did not happen here.

China is incapable of weakening the suggestion from the PCA because you cannot further weaken something that already starts out at 0 strength.

Disputes in the SCS are and will continue to be resolved by bilateral dialogue method.
 

bananabread

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Is this for real? It seems Nuland has been assigned to carry out the task of turning PH into Asia's Ukraine in a renewed effort to support Taiwan separatists. Nuland's presence in PH is a worrying sign that the Americans are intent on entrenching themselves in this part of the world :mad:

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Why is PH allowing America to expand bases in their country anyways? Is the reciprocal economic benefit worth playing host to a potential war front?
 
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