China's SCS Strategy Thread


PhSt

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China needs to watch out for this young politician, it looks like America is thinking ahead and are starting to groom their future sock puppet politicians that they hope to use to steer the Philippines into a confrontation with China.



Meanwhile, Filipino Americans are treated like crap in the US

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So even after the brief outrage following the death of George Floyd due to asphyxiation, US police still continue the practice of kneeling on their victim's neck. This is an indisputable proof that people's voices/protests in the US do absolutely NOTHING to influence changes in the country's corrupt and broken system. The impression of Freedom of Speech in the US is a Big Facade
 

ansy1968

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China needs to watch out for this young politician, it looks like America is thinking ahead and are starting to groom their future sock puppet politicians that they hope to use to steer the Philippines into a confrontation with China.



Meanwhile, Filipino Americans are treated like crap in the US

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So even after the brief outrage following the death of George Floyd due to asphyxiation, US police still continue the practice of kneeling on their victim's neck. This is an indisputable proof that people's voices/protests in the US do absolutely NOTHING to influence changes in the country's corrupt and broken system. The impression of Freedom of Speech in the US is a Big Facade
@PhSt VICO SOTTO chances are low, he is only good for mayoral position, our politics is personality driven, his only accomplishment is his good looks and both his parents are celebrities , ANC audience are mostly the rich and the middle class in Metro Manila which Pasig his municipality had a lot. I will give you a clue who will win the Presidential election hands down with overwhelming lead is she accept the challenge, her surname is CARPIO. ;)
 
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Bellum_Romanum

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I am actually more worried about the ANC and interviewer.

What a brainfart interview. Why would Philippines-based ANC be asking an American outsider about the negotiations relating to code-of-conduct in SCS. He should be interviewing his own government.

I did not even be bothered with the rest of the video as it is too much brainfart on the part of the interviewer and ANC. He cannot be bothered to interview his own government officials. He seems to think interviewing a friendly American from Washington DC lends legitimacy to the leading questions. It is as if he wants this American to tell his Filipinos viewers what to think about issues relating to Philippines national interest.

Sad to see really.
The average Filipinos in the Philippines would see and interpret this interview much more favorably and in line with their mostly pro-American views. Plus, the owner of this particular media company is an actual American albeit of Filipino heritage. So it's not a surprise that it's foreign policy interpretations and views are going to be slanted and biased towards the American p.o.v.

It's no wonder that the majority of Filipinos are pro American and anti Chinese due to this one sided views when it comes to the dissemination of biased views that only serve the interest of the statusquo - the maintainance of American virtual control of the Philippines.

It's pretty surprising in my opinion how the current Philippine President has managed to work his pro-China policies considering the negative views of his people towards China. It's going to be interesting to find out if his daughter relents from the public pressure/demands for her to run and continue as well as protect the foundations that her father started for their country.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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And as someone already pointed out here, the Philippine politics is heavy on personality based rather on ideology. The current mayor of Manila is trying to recast himself and his image as this tough talking no-nonsense politician in the mold of Duterte. But this dude is a sniveling snake and a chameleon like personality and the fact that the man used to be an actor he knows how to craft or act the part he wants to convey to the public.

As for the Filipino-Chinese in my opinion they are mostly apolitical group of people that are focus on doing business and will work with whomever the majority of the Filipinos choose to be their President. Filipino-Chinese just like anywhere else in the world with large Chinese diaspora are not seen as one of their own; they are seen and treated as the perpetual foreigner in a land they have cultivated, enriched, and helped prosper since before the Philippine island came to be known as is. I mean, the family that owns and operates their biggest malls, the ubiquitous S.M. malls were started by Henry Sy.
 

Dolcevita

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The average Filipinos in the Philippines would see and interpret this interview much more favorably and in line with their mostly pro-American views. Plus, the owner of this particular media company is an actual American albeit of Filipino heritage. So it's not a surprise that it's foreign policy interpretations and views are going to be slanted and biased towards the American p.o.v.

It's no wonder that the majority of Filipinos are pro American and anti Chinese due to this one sided views when it comes to the dissemination of biased views that only serve the interest of the statusquo - the maintainance of American virtual control of the Philippines.

It's pretty surprising in my opinion how the current Philippine President has managed to work his pro-China policies considering the negative views of his people towards China. It's going to be interesting to find out if his daughter relents from the public pressure/demands for her to run and continue as well as protect the foundations that her father started for their country.
It's not even being pro-american and anti-chinese. The interview is heavy on pro-american-intervention and ignore-filipino-interest. I watch the video a long time ago and from my recollection, the interview was focused mainly on what does american administration want us filipino to do given the situation with china. There was no effort to offer a Filipino perspective.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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It's not even being pro-american and anti-chinese. The interview is heavy on pro-american-intervention and ignore-filipino-interest. I watch the video a long time ago and from my recollection, the interview was focused mainly on what does american administration want us filipino to do given the situation with china. There was no effort to offer a Filipino perspective.
Because it erroneously assumes that whatever the American position or opinion on this particular subject/topic will be automatically supported by the Filipinos writ large not just based on the defense treaty between the Phil. and U.S. but also on historical grounds from the legacy of McArthur's often quoted words of "I shall return" when the famous megalomaniac generalisimo retreated to Australia.

From my limited understanding of the U.S.- Philippines relationship, the Filipino interest usually means American interest when it comes to it's foreign policy or more specifically the West Philippine Sea position. The Philippines anemic Navy can hardly be counted to put up a realistic fight against other claimant ASEAN neighbors let alone against PLAN, but what it lacks in materiale they make up for it with bravado and the undying belief that America will be there to save their bacon.

The true asymmetrical differences between the Philippines and China’s naval force has not been truly appreciated or been told to the Filipino people until Duterte came into the scene. But even after their President made this truthful revelation most Filipinos think that their President is being too cowardly or overestimating PLAN'S capability and besides what's the big deal, the ships must be of low grade quality since they're made in China.

That's the arrogant attitude average Filipinos have when it comes to China. Their mindset and thinking has been thoroughly Americanized that it can't even look at this particular with a clear eyed view. The election of Duterte was a sea change and marked departure from the Philippines historic pro American stance. The fact that President Duterte is still able to successfully implement most of his pro China policies has been a shock to me because despite his own people’s attitude and negative perception of China, his standing and popularity have not dipped or affected severely.
 

jimmyjames30x30

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China needs to watch out for this young politician, it looks like America is thinking ahead and are starting to groom their future sock puppet politicians that they hope to use to steer the Philippines into a confrontation with China.



Meanwhile, Filipino Americans are treated like crap in the US

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So even after the brief outrage following the death of George Floyd due to asphyxiation, US police still continue the practice of kneeling on their victim's neck. This is an indisputable proof that people's voices/protests in the US do absolutely NOTHING to influence changes in the country's corrupt and broken system. The impression of Freedom of Speech in the US is a Big Facade
Strategically speaking, the USA will lose the war of influence to China, at least in Asia. This reason is very simple: the US already have too much stake in Asia for quite a while now, they are in a very tight position and have very little spare room for maneuvering. The US can NOT afford to prop up incompetent idiots only for their loyalty, because their incompetence will ruin things for the USA's strategic positions. However, it is also true that the USA can NOT afford to support capable strongman leaders as well, this is because the USA can NOT control such a person.

When it comes to balancing between fulfilling strategic goals for long term interest and safeguarding short term interests, the US political system will soon show its short comings. You can talk about Americans Values all day all you want, but once it comes to interests of the individuals, capitalists will NEVER be able to control their own greed. This is why even a regular entrepreneur like Elon Musk dares to hurt long term American strategic interest by overthrowing a South American country's government JUST for his own interest.
 

quantumlight

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Strategically speaking, the USA will lose the war of influence to China, at least in Asia. This reason is very simple: the US already have too much stake in Asia for quite a while now, they are in a very tight position and have very little spare room for maneuvering. The US can NOT afford to prop up incompetent idiots only for their loyalty, because their incompetence will ruin things for the USA's strategic positions. However, it is also true that the USA can NOT afford to support capable strongman leaders as well, this is because the USA can NOT control such a person.

When it comes to balancing between fulfilling strategic goals for long term interest and safeguarding short term interests, the US political system will soon show its short comings. You can talk about Americans Values all day all you want, but once it comes to interests of the individuals, capitalists will NEVER be able to control their own greed. This is why even a regular entrepreneur like Elon Musk dares to hurt long term American strategic interest by overthrowing a South American country's government JUST for his own interest.
CIA did the coup on behalf of Elon gigafactory as strategic objective to boost America EV whilst depriving China the lithium contracts
 

ansy1968

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Strategically speaking, the USA will lose the war of influence to China, at least in Asia. This reason is very simple: the US already have too much stake in Asia for quite a while now, they are in a very tight position and have very little spare room for maneuvering. The US can NOT afford to prop up incompetent idiots only for their loyalty, because their incompetence will ruin things for the USA's strategic positions. However, it is also true that the USA can NOT afford to support capable strongman leaders as well, this is because the USA can NOT control such a person.
Hi bro, Imperial over reach? The US influence thrive on a certain narrative, that there is no alternative to development aside from following the US system of governance. Now come China arising thru peaceful means and on its owned system, how can you square that?
When it comes to balancing between fulfilling strategic goals for long term interest and safeguarding short term interests, the US political system will soon show its short comings. You can talk about Americans Values all day all you want, but once it comes to interests of the individuals, capitalists will NEVER be able to control their own greed. This is why even a regular entrepreneur like Elon Musk dares to hurt long term American strategic interest by overthrowing a South American country's government JUST for his own interest.
For us here in the ASEAN region China is our neighbor and the US is a guest, now we give courtesy doesn't imply we agree with you. The US want a Zero Sum game, before we haven't had a choice now we do and it all because of China as I said we had an Alternative and it's shaken the US and the west.
 

davidau

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Hi bro, Imperial over reach? The US influence thrive on a certain narrative, that there is no alternative to development aside from following the US system of governance. Now come China arising thru peaceful means and on its owned system, how can you square that?

For us here in the ASEAN region China is our neighbor and the US is a guest, now we give courtesy doesn't imply we agree with you. The US want a Zero Sum game, before we haven't had a choice now we do and it all because of China as I said we had an Alternative and it's shaken the US and the west.
Time for the West and US to understand, if they do, the Asian Pacific is what it means. But the West try to use all forms of excuses (freedom of navigation etc) to interfere with the harmoninous Asian countries and create troubles because they think they are militarily superior. But no more. China has stood up since the founding of New China in1949; now she is militarily strong and econmically stable, despite the pandamic. China works well with all the Asian countries, creating a win-win situation. The US and the West...zero sum! West and US economy? Hmmm
 

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