South China Sea Strategies for other nations (Not China)

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  1. PanAsian
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    This thread will be about the South China Sea strategies of other nations (not China).

    It is a place where the reclamation efforts in particular of other nations can be posted and discussed, but also where those other nation's strategies for protecting their interests (short of talk of war between nations) can be discussed too.

    Please post Vietnam's, the Philippines, Malaysia's, and other nation's efforts (including what the US does, other aligned nations, etc) here.

    Post the Chinese strategies and efforts on the :

    China's South China Sea Strategy Thread

    Thank you...and carry on!


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    Philippines resuming construction work, and more he said she said.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/27/us-china-southchinasea-philippines-idUSKBN0MN0SL20150327

     
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    Vietnamese reclamation, any media care to report it? :p

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    http://www.rappler.com/nation/89880-binay-china-philippines-south-china-sea

    Binay: 'China has money, we need capital'
    Vice President Jejomar Binay calls for a 'joint venture' with China in developing the resources in the disputed South China Sea

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    BOOSTING TIES. Chinese Ambassador to the Philippines Zhao Jianhua (right) pays a courtesy visit to Philippine Vice President Jejomar Binay (left) on April 15, 2014. Photo courtesy of the Chinese Embassy in the Philippines

    MANILA, Philippines – In a preview of his approach toward China if elected president, Vice President Jejomar Binay stressed China's economic might as he pushed for bilateral talks between Manila and Beijing over the disputed South China Sea.

    "May pera po ang China, kailangan po natin ng kapital (China has money, we need capital)," Binay said in an interview on Saturday, April 12, over the radio station DZYM in Catarman, Northern Samar.

    His office sent to reporters the transcript of the interview on Tuesday, April 14.

    In particular, he called for a "joint venture" between the Philippines and China in developing the natural resources in the South China Sea, parts of which the Philippines calls the West Philippine Sea.

    The Vice President – who wants to become Philippine president in 2016 – said he hopes the Philippines can improve its trade relations with China despite the maritime dispute.

    Binay made these comments days before President Benigno Aquino III on Tuesday said China's actions in the South China Sea should spark fear around the world.

    Earlier, the Philippine Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) slammed China for building artificial islands in the West Philippine Sea.

    On Monday, April 13, the DFA said China's reclamation activities in the disputed waters have destroyed 300 acres of coral reefs and resulted in around $100 million in economic losses among coastal states.

    In contrast to Binay's personal stance, the Philippines under Aquino has issued more provocative statements against the Asian giant. (READ: Why China prefers Arroyo over Aquino)

    Sea row 'until after death'

    The Philippines' boldest move against China came in January 2013. It filed an arbitration case against China before an arbitral tribunal at the Permanent Court of Arbitration based in The Hague, The Netherlands, to demolish China's expansive claims over the South China Sea.

    Pursuing this case, the Philippines filed a 4,000-page memorial or pleading against China in March 2014, and submitted a 3,000-page supplemental memorial in March 2015.

    Manila expects a ruling against China by 2016.

    Binay pointed out, however, that China will refuse to heed the arbitral tribunal's ruling. (READ: Rough seas: Will PH 'lawfare' work vs China?)

    For him, this means the Philippines should continue its dialogue with China over the two countries' competing claims over the South China Sea, which the Philippines calls the West Philippine Sea.

    "'Yung problema natin sa Tsina, nakakalungkot, pero tanggapin po natin na hindi naman po matatapos 'yan kaagad. Siguro, ilang taon na tayong namamatay eh hindi pa rin nareresolba 'yan," he said in the radio interview.

    (The problem with China, sadly, will not be resolved immediately. Perhaps we would have died by many years, and we wouldn't have resolved the problem.)

    In a position close to Binay's, Filipino-Chinese businessmen earlier said the Philippines should set aside its differences with China to avoid missed opportunities for the Southeast Asian country.

    Dr Alfonso Siy, president of the Federation of Filipino-Chinese Chambers of Commerce and Industry Incorporated, said in February: "The Chinese are getting rich and starting to travel. Chinese tourists are very rich and love to spend money so it’s a good opportunity to get more businesses, income, and create jobs."

    Latest government data show China is the Philippines' third biggest trading partner, following Japan and the United States. – Rappler.com
     
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    LOL, mighty optimist of them...
     
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    Binay knows that antagonistic approach won't work, which is why he want to work bilaterally with China. Binay is the front runner to be Philippines next president btw.
     
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    Soldiers take part in a parade celebrating the 40th anniversary of the end of the Vietnam War in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
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    I believing discussing under this thread would be appropriate Jeff?

    In my opinion, forming any coalition to sponsor any reclamation whether outright military garrisons or under the guise of commercial activity simply will not work. There are several factors that differ between China's reclamation and any coalition reclamation.

    - It has never been a contest of simply China vs another single claimant within the SCS. So by sponsoring reclamation with one or even multiple claimants, the US in essence would be taking sides and "validating" recipient country's SCS claims. Not gonna go well with the other respective claimants. If there's any new reclamation from any of the other claimants, it will have to be their own initiative which we see with Taiwan's improvement of Taiping and Vietnam's reclamation on Cornwallis South Reef.

    - Any reclamation is supposedly a violation of the Code of Conduct per some of the claimant's argument. The Philippines in particular plays this moral high ground card heavily and in some ways, has put itself into a tight spot. Vietnam's current reclamation has already violated this non-binding agreement so it wouldn't fly if they tried to use this argument going forward. Will the Philippines abandon this too? If it does, that UNCLOS lawsuit ain't gonna go well for them.
     
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    In the face of China doing the same on their reefs...not really. Particularly if it is commercial monies and commercial companies being hired by the claimants themselves.

    China s doing reclamation aggressively on their own reefs and possessions.

    They can simply point to China's actions to give them reason for the same type of non-belligerent response.

    Other nations working with commercial companies and taking out loans to do the same on their own reefs and possessions would be the proper response...and would be one China in particular could not really argue against.

    That's all.
     
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    Commercial activity would be highly unlikely without some form of state sponsorship. No international entity is going to risk the wrath of one or more rival claimants if this was a pure business venture. A local company hired by respective claimant is possible but as you've mentioned, it takes $$$ to finance the operation as well as technical capacity and claimants themselves may not have such resources. It's obvious any reclamation based on the premise of commercial activity will be a non-profitable venture for quite some time so a typical commercial loan will never pass an underwriter's evaluation. This all points back to a need for some sort of soft loan from another country and we're back to square one with a direct link to US/US ally involvement and who they fund will make the other rivals aside from China question such action. This can unwind the loose existing coalition.

    The SCS situation has always been a very difficult Mexican standoff. As imperfect as it may have been, the JMSU was the best platform to further the concept of joint use of those waters but that got shot down so badly, it's hard to fathom any potential similar deals in the immediate future. The venture at the time even spelled it out putting aside any sovereignty issues.
     
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    Yes, which is, as you say, what I have said.

    Yes, which is what I said from the beginning.

    The US, Australia, and Japan...perhaps others...would have to come together and help finance and support such an effort.

    Which is also what I have indicated when I said that although such an effort would probably be the best way to counter what China is doing, that I do not think the administrations and legislative bodies in any of those nations have the stomach or will for such an effort.

    While we can discuss and debate such an effort, such a conversation is really probably just an exercise in futility anyway because it is not likely at all to happen.
     
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