China's SCS Strategy Thread

[Blackstone]

Of course it would mean war.

China claims those islands as its own, and has stationed them with both civilian and military personnel. China has even created a municipal district to administer the region.

In order to do what Tillerson is proposing, the US would have to either invade those islands or blockade them with their navy. Both actions would be acts of war.

US position since Brenton Woods is it's neutral on territorial sovereignty disputes of foreign countries. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. Tillerson, on the other hand, is doing a 180 on that, and it's unclear if that applies it to only China or to others too.

It's possible Tillerson misspoke or went beyond his initial instructions from Trump, but assuming he's carrying out Trump's vision in the SCS, then China and the US will have a tense relationship, until a new equilibrium is reached. Graham Allison said about 3 in 4 equilibrium adjustments between established and rising great powers took the form of wars, I hope we're in the 25%.

 

[PanAsian]

I think the American system was set up to prevent abuses. In a way its not unlike the FFP system we had in NZ(First past the post) and i think still exists in the uk.The country was divided into X amount of seats and who ever won the most seats(electorate) formed the government.It was not unusual for the loser under this system to actually win the popular vote. I think the records show Labour which is the equivilent of the American Democrats lost more elections despite winning the popular vote even by a small margin.

I think its better than the current MMP system which was designed to supposedly give everyone a say.This has can lead to a situation where a smaller party with unelected members can hold sway over the government.

Personally i rather go back to FFP

That's just one way the system tries to prevent abuses but abuse can take many forms including changing the system, some of the most egregious being gerrymandering and what happened in North Carolina recently which is to change the structure of government after losing an election so as to make that election meaningless. That is the definition of putting partisan politics ahead of good governance.

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[vesicles]

Yep, Tillerson is likely just a "straw man" to shoot the gap for eventual nominee John Bolton!

Hmmmm... Not sure about that. Exxon/Mobill shelled out huge bucks to buy out Tillerson's stock options and all. And Tillerson gave up a very important position in Exxon/Mobill. I'm not sure they did all that just so that he could act as a distraction/decoy...

What they are proposing is so crazy that I don't even think the Pentagon would back them. These man-made islands are now all occupied by civilians. As Solarz mentioned above, to block access, that means the US forces will need to invade the islands and evade the occupants. that is by any definition an invasion.

At this point, I still think this is Trump's attempt to haggle with China.

 

[PanAsian]

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[SanWenYu]

Well San, when you let those deals go down, they down, its gone! now all we can do, is "hold what ya got"

Are you suggesting that Trump will make good with Putin at the cost of poor Poroshenko?

 

[plawolf]

The US pilots and crew not only reported it as unsafe they filmed it. I've seen the films, they are definitely in the category of "STOOPID"! I realize you aren't a pilot, but??

Iran 655 was an accident, no one in the US military would do something that stoopid intentionally! no lets stop being disrespectful to the victims and let them rest in peace.

Talk is cheap. Post the videos and let everyone judge for themselves.

 

[Blackstone]

Yep, Tillerson is likely just a "straw man" to shoot the gap for eventual nominee John Bolton!

That is a crazy statement?? but hey, who knows, and that after all may be the whole intent?? just to put folks on notice, there is a new Sheriff in town. Trump may be the "gunslinger"???

So help me out here, your double question marks are throwing me for a loop. Do you not know Tillerson made a "crazy statement," or in your infinite wisdom, you don't think US preventing China access from their own land (think Guam) "crazy statement?" Does the "new Sheriff????????" means she could say whatever she wants?

John Bolton? LOL! What a fuck!ng joke!

 

[Blackstone]

I have a Messiah, JESUS of Nazareth, He will keep us all humble!

I'm simply happy to have a President Elect, who loves this country!

So, when will Jesus inspire Trump to acquire some humility and humbleness?

 

[Air Force Brat]

Are you suggesting that Trump will make good with Putin at the cost of poor Poroshenko?

Absolutely NOT! Obama's whoosoofication, opened the door for Putin to take back the Crimea, and its Black Sea Port's, he's got that, that's a Cherry that he would never give up??? So No, but Putin and Trump will come to a "draw", because each does in fact respect the other?? I don't like what Putin has done, but I do respect him, he's a shrewd Dude, and he has run rings around Obama!

End off Topic, I believe that Tillerson has likely mis-spoken, or maybe intentionally so to give Trump the option to "up the ante" with Emperor XI??? just to open dialogue on SCS, I really am mystified by this myself??

 

[Air Force Brat]

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