China's red sea/gulf/middle east strategy

TK3600

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Some of it because of the past historical event in Indonesia. There was a rivalry between Islamic factions and Indonesian Communist Party since the beginning of 20th century. Both factions had histories of rebelling toward the government since the beginning of the Republic. But both power are comparable in influence. At least as long as the first president, Soekarno was in power.

But, then, there was an event that called as G30S PKI to be happen. After that, PKI (Indonesian Communist Party) was disbanded, and considered as rebel who want to change our country ideology to communism. Well, looking at how communism did that in various country in that era, I will not surprise if that was really happen back then.

G30 S PKI was an event that followed with a regime change. From Soekarno, the first president to Soeharto, the 2nd president. And with that, PKI (Indonesia Communist Party) was disbanded, and the new regime declared that Communism to be banned from the country. Everyone in the country must have a religion. But not only that, the hatred between Muslim and Communists were deep enough that they would kill each others if it was allowed to happen. So, the massacre of the sympatizer of Communists party were massacred after that. Not only that, with Orde Baru (Soeharto regime) propaganda, people hates communist to the core. And because China is a communist country, they also hate China back then.

Well, I think there was an involvement of Western Power back then. I think from Mi6 and CIA, because 1966 was the height of Cold War era. And Soekarno was so close with Beijing and Moscow. Beside, Indonesia attacked Malaysia that protected by British Empire. That's why it was not strange if they, UK want Soekarno Regime to collapse.

But even after the collapse of Orde Baru (Soeharto regime), hard core Islamic Factions (you can call them as Extremist, or Islamic Fundamentalism faction) still use the danger of Communism as their propaganda. Although well, there is no Communist anymore in Indonesia.

But today, when Middle east on fire, with Israel massacre on Gaza, whenever there is a fake news about China involvement that side to Palestine or Houthi, they will "horray" like calling China a hero. So for them, Israel is the greatest devil in our world, and Communism, even if they hate it, still not comparable to their hate to Israel. And because US is in Israel side, they also hate US.
So in short, western media tried to paint China as the boogeyman against western world order. This accidentally made China some sort of superhero to those opposed to American actions. In case of Israel, that is most of the world.

China is not good at bragging. This reputation is entirely made by western media unintentionally.
 

Brainsuker

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So in short, western media tried to paint China as the boogeyman against western world order. This accidentally made China some sort of superhero to those opposed to American actions. In case of Israel, that is most of the world.

China is not good at bragging. This reputation is entirely made by western media unintentionally.

It is purely Indonesia mass media that followed by many hard core Muslims.
 

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This situation in the Red Sea is truly a win-win for China. China doesn't do anything - the US gets hurt more than them and ends up in a worse position for the Taiwan scenario.

(Not talking about economic hurt, but comprehensive hurt, including militarily and geopolitically. Having to deploy naval assets there, wearing them down even more, losing focus from the Pacific, firing off those expensive missiles in stockpiles they have weak production of, etc...).

China asks Iran to stop the Houthis - It instantly becomes the next main 'security' provider for that region indirectly, transferring a good chunk of American global dominance to their hands.

The US beginning China to resolve this situation means that they effectively beg China to take away their large chunk of power, in that region, right away.

That tells you all how desperate they are. But this also tells you that maybe the first option is way better for China, and it think China also chose that option.

The big part of the American global leading role in the past, and the British before that was the ability to provide 'free seas' to everyone.

But, Houthis effectively buried this 100% showing that Americans can't even provide security against them, not to mention stronger players.

From this point onward, many countries will realize the American myth and start paying more attention to negotiating with regional powers.

You see firsthand how much Saudi Arabia constantly talked with Iran during this conflict, despite them not feeling positive about them.

They realize that the era of American dominance has ended. Better negotiate and appease Iran, than get tremendous damage.

I think this is all due not only to America weakening, but other actors technologically getting way stronger in terms of military tech.

Maybe if China and Russia hadn't indirectly assisted Iran build their missile technologically, Iran couldn't have sent it to the Houthis.

So, even if China doesn't send any data to Houthis to target those ships, it already helped enough by selling Iran various missile components.

Also, regarding Gaza, I think that China doesn't help Hamas directly more, not because it is not in their nature to meddle or something,

But that it's simply more beneficial for China to have the US in a direct war against Hamas, Hezbollah, Iraq, and Syria than to resolve the conflict.
 
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nimitz123

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Do you think that when the situation in the Red sea escalate, should China enhance their presence in the theater by deploying a naval task force to there ?
 
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Brainsuker

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Do you think that when the situation in the Red sea escalate, should China enhance their presence in the theater by deploying a naval task force to there ?

China may add their naval task force from 3 ships to maybe 6. But that's not the solution for the red sea conflict. For China, the best way is to enhance their Diplomatic Corps so they can approach Iran, etc more. Let the security solution to be solved by Middle eastern themselves. If they lack equipment, China can sell them more weapons, ships, drones, etc. This way, Middle East Countries can increase their influence in their own region, and can challenge United States and the Western power by their own.

By doing what United States did in Middle East, China will not only get more problem that they have to handle. But also must divert their attention to various places, when they actually have a bigger problem back at their own backyard. Taiwan and SCS.

I think what China needs do in Middle east are :
- Expand BRICS cooperation, doing more economic cooperation with Middle Eastern Countries, so they won't dependent solely to United States / Western SWIFT system.
- Improve diplomatic relation with Middle East countries, and promote Peace to Shiah and Sunni, so they won't solve their disunity with war.
- Decrease the Western influence in Middle East and Africa more, and provide them with alternative economy solution so it get harder for United States to put their claw to the region.

Remember, United States won't abandon Middle East no matter what, simply because Israel is there. With Israel has become the number one devil in the eyes of Muslim the world, They need more and more effort to guarantee the peace for Israel. So, as long as that objective can't be achieved, they won't touch any where else. Not Ukraine, not Taiwan. Well, I'm sure that Muslim won't be able to destroy Israel, no matter what. Israel is a tiny strong nuts that impossible to break. That's why the conflict won't be over in near future. And that's can give United States less and less attention to another regions.
 

aahyan

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Remember, United States won't abandon Middle East no matter what, simply because Israel is there. With Israel has become the number one devil in the eyes of Muslim the world, They need more and more effort to guarantee the peace for Israel. So, as long as that objective can't be achieved, they won't touch any where else. Not Ukraine, not Taiwan. Well, I'm sure that Muslim won't be able to destroy Israel, no matter what. Israel is a tiny strong nuts that impossible to break. That's why the conflict won't be over in near future. And that's can give United States less and less attention to another regions.

Kindly check your facts again (why Israel is called devil). Several hundred thousand Palestinians have died since the inception of Israel, compared to a few thousand Israelis... rest you can find in below report.

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aahyan

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Then, They're devil in the eyes of Muslim, aren't they?

What about rest of the world?



Remember, United States won't abandon Middle East no matter what, simply because Israel is there. With Israel has become the number one devil in the eyes of Muslim the world, They need more and more effort to guarantee the peace for Israel. So, as long as that objective can't be achieved, they won't touch any where else. Not Ukraine, not Taiwan. Well, I'm sure that Muslim won't be able to destroy Israel, no matter what. Israel is a tiny strong nuts that impossible to break. That's why the conflict won't be over in near future. And that's can give United States less and less attention to another regions.

And why peace guarantee for Israel only, why not for Palestinians...
 

Brainsuker

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What about rest of the world?


And why peace guarantee for Israel only, why not for Palestinians...

I'm sorry, you can't expect everyone to care about Palestine. That's including me. I don't really care about them. Although I hate Israel for their act of massacre in Gaza sometime ago. It is the same to Ukraine. I don't really care about Ukraine, because I don't related to them. You can't force everyone to care about Palestine. The only people who should really care about Palestine is Middle Eastern countries and Muslim World. Because if they don't really care about Palestine, then nobody care.

Because for United States, Israel is more important than Palestinian. As there are many important / influential persons in United States that is Jew / Israeli descents. Look at today Biden's ministers in United States, like Blinken and others. They are Jew / Israeli descents. So, if they have to choose between Israel and Palestine, you can easily guess which countries they'll choose to help.
 
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