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zhangjim

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PLA standoff with Australian, Japanese and US destroyers using EM capabilities in the Spratly Islands.

Based on this quote, wonder if the Western navies had some of their equipment jammed.
This is not surprising. I saw some popular science videos about Hezbollah in Lebanon. They gradually improved their combat capability in the process of fighting with the IDF. They were able to capture the reconnaissance images of Israeli UAV very early.

Similarly, Iran's UAV technology has been gradually improved in the competition with the United States. They maximize the use of all available technology sources and can produce at a relatively low cost.

PLA's electronic warfare capabilities have certainly improved in those nearly 30 years. I used to think it was just propaganda, but after seeing the western news, I realized that the situation was much more optimistic than I thought.
 

Chilled_k6

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This is not surprising. I saw some popular science videos about Hezbollah in Lebanon. They gradually improved their combat capability in the process of fighting with the IDF. They were able to capture the reconnaissance images of Israeli UAV very early.

Similarly, Iran's UAV technology has been gradually improved in the competition with the United States. They maximize the use of all available technology sources and can produce at a relatively low cost.

PLA's electronic warfare capabilities have certainly improved in those nearly 30 years. I used to think it was just propaganda, but after seeing the western news, I realized that the situation was much more optimistic than I thought.
Wasn't there that story that sometime in the mid-90s, hundreds of US warplanes suddenly appeared on the radar off the coast of Shandong? It is said the PLAAF had to scramble half their warplanes to intercept, but when they arrived, they found nothing but empty airspace.

Turns out it was actually 4 EA-6B Prowlers from the USS Kitty Hawk spoofing the hell out of the PLA radars. If the story is true it must have created a massive chip on the shoulders of the PLA. Maybe as much (or even more so) than the Gulf War or the embassy bombing in Yugoslavia.

Not only from this article can the vast improvements be inferred. Nowadays you have China doing the same not only against Taiwan with high frequency, but also that article posted in the AEW aircraft thread where they were jamming aircraft and ships from USS Theodore Roosevelt group last year. Patchwork when he was on here said J-16D is superior to EA-18 Growler.
 

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Wasn't there that story that sometime in the mid-90s, hundreds of US warplanes suddenly appeared on the radar off the coast of Shandong? It is said the PLAAF had to scramble half their warplanes to intercept, but when they arrived, they found nothing but empty airspace.

Turns out it was actually 4 EA-6B Prowlers from the USS Kitty Hawk spoofing the hell out of the PLA radars. If the story is true it must have created a massive chip on the shoulders of the PLA. Maybe as much (or even more so) than the Gulf War or the embassy bombing in Yugoslavia.

Not only from this article can the vast improvements be inferred. Nowadays you have China doing the same not only against Taiwan with high frequency, but also that article posted in the AEW aircraft thread where they were jamming aircraft and ships from USS Theodore Roosevelt group last year. Patchwork when he was on here said J-16D is superior to EA-18 Growler.

Not a fair comparison at all. EA-18 is not only older but had to make compromises in order for it to be carrier compatible. By YankeeDana’s own admission it remains to be seen if the J-15D, true counterpart to EA-18, is as good when it enters service.
 

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Wasn't there that story that sometime in the mid-90s, hundreds of US warplanes suddenly appeared on the radar off the coast of Shandong? It is said the PLAAF had to scramble half their warplanes to intercept, but when they arrived, they found nothing but empty airspace.

Turns out it was actually 4 EA-6B Prowlers from the USS Kitty Hawk spoofing the hell out of the PLA radars. If the story is true it must have created a massive chip on the shoulders of the PLA. Maybe as much (or even more so) than the Gulf War or the embassy bombing in Yugoslavia.

Not only from this article can the vast improvements be inferred. Nowadays you have China doing the same not only against Taiwan with high frequency, but also that article posted in the AEW aircraft thread where they were jamming aircraft and ships from USS Theodore Roosevelt group last year. Patchwork when he was on here said J-16D is superior to EA-18 Growler.
Yes, there were actually 3 separate incidents between 1994-1997, Yankee spoke about it on multiple occasions whenever the topic of J-16D or EW comes up. He wrote
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and how they alerted PLA to their EW gap with US and spurred on developments to close the cap, including J-16D.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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sounds like a dumb way to start a war
Provocative as it is, the massive spoofing of Chinese radars in northeastern China by those EA-6Bs back then did provide extremely valuable lessons for China WRT the significance of the EW domain.

Similarly to how the Gulf War and the 3rd Taiwan Strait Crisis really opened Beijing's eyes that they have been left sorely behind, resulting in them hastening their upgrade, improvement and advancement across the whole PLA for more than the past 2 decades. The Yinhe Incident in 1993 and the US bombing of Chinese Embassy in Belgrade in 1999 further cemented the need for rapid reorganization, modernization and growth of the PLA in the eyes of the Chinese leadership.
 

bobsagget

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Provocative as it is, the massive spoofing of Chinese radars in northeastern China by those EA-6Bs back then did provide extremely valuable lessons for China WRT the significance of the EW domain.

Similarly to how the Gulf War and the 3rd Taiwan Strait Crisis really opened Beijing's eyes that they have been left sorely behind, resulting in them hastening their upgrade, improvement and advancement across the whole PLA for more than the past 2 decades. The Yinhe Incident in 1993 and the US bombing of Chinese Embassy in Belgrade in 1999 further cemented the need for rapid reorganization, modernization and growth of the PLA in the eyes of the Chinese leadership.
Yeah i really do not want yo goad modern china into doing an alpha strike on everything closer than fucking guam.
 

montyp165

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From your points, I can infer that there are 3 kinds of Americans (and Westerners in general) which are actually eager and willing to go to war against China:

Kind #1 - Those who really thought that war is "fun-&-exciting" like Modern Warfare, Battlefields or CSGO, where they could just rush B, massacre as many enemy forces as they want, take multiple gunshots without dying, and without suffering from any war-related PTSDs.

This kind of Americans (and Westerners in general) are the least worrying. They usually are the first ones to run in the opposite direction when sh1t does hit the fan.

Kind #2 - Those who despise China and the Chinese people thanks to constant Sinophobic brainwashing by the West, and truly believe that by going to war with China, they are somehow doing God's work, and that they would "save and liberate those poor and oppressed Chinese from the evil SeeSeePee".

This kind of Americans (and Westerners in general) are certainly worse than kind #1, but still largely managable and can be turned around if their mindsets could be rectified in time.

Kind #3 - Those who actually hate China and the Chinese people to the very core, viewing China and the Chinese people as existential threats to them, and would very love to see the Chinese civilization state being wiped from the surface of the earth at any costs, even if the whole world is scorched by nuclear hellfire as a result.

This kind of Americans (and Westerners in general) are the most worrying. They themselves represent the most dangerous and lethal threat to the continuity and surivival of the humanity.

Unfortunately, the biggest problem we are facing right now is that the proportions of Americans (and Westerners in general) who are in the kind #2 and kind #3 categories have been growing exponentially larger, especially in the past few years.

This is what scares us, both Chinese and non-Chinese, the most. Why? Because the US, on its own, has the capability to end the whole world as we know it.

It's important to note that if it wasn't China but somebody else like Iran or India in the same position it wouldn't change things because it still boils down to entitlement of power and position from the Americans (and Western enablers), so at the end of the day facing down the US eventually would have to happen with whoever happens to have the means to do so, it just so happens to be China in that particular position.
 

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