China won Turkey's missile defense competition

Jeff Head

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During the last few years, when Eurozone economy looked moribund, turkey appeared to be the economic high flyer with near double digit growth rates. Like everyone who are enjoying an economic boom in the present, the Turks believed turkey's economic take off will last indefinitely and will send Turkish economy into the stratosphere, well beyond the reach of NATO and the US, or any other factor for that matter.

But in the last 2 years Turkish economic difficulties mounted, and debt burden have increased. Now it suddenly appears that turkey would need the Eurozone to get out of its impending economic crisis.
Human nature is what it is.

It's really just ancedotal, but it reminds me of some youthful lessons I learned in the rural areas of Texas where I was raised on a ranch.

As I grew into my teens I would go to dances and the like to try and get to know people, particularly the girls my age. There, I found out why the old term in that part of the country exists:

"Dance with the one who brung you."

Sometime a young fellow would take a girl who was his "steady", or who he at least considered his steady, to a dance. In the course of the evening the girl might be dazzled by the atmosphere and dance with other, older, or more prominent young men who had better social graces. The original boy, if those conditions continued very long, feeling spurned, would then leave the dance well before it was over, hurt and unhappy.

Later, towards the end of the evening, the young girl would find that those she thought were new-found friends had other plans for the evening, or the future...which did not include her. More than one young lady had to either go home with some of the wall flowers who had come to the dance, or, more embarassingly, call their patrents for a ride home.

Most of the time, one such lesson was enough to learn that, "Dance with the one who brung you," was not bad advise.

As I say, it is purely ancedotal and whether or not it applies here, is an entirely different matter.
 

solarz

Brigadier
Sometime a young fellow would take a girl who was his "steady", or who he at least considered his steady, to a dance. In the course of the evening the girl might be dazzled by the atmosphere and dance with other, older, or more prominent young men who had better social graces. The original boy, if those conditions continued very long, feeling spurned, would then leave the dance well before it was over, hurt and unhappy.

So you're saying China is the older man with better social graces? :D;)
 

Jeff Head

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So you're saying China is the older man with better social graces? :D;)
No, hehehe, I indicated it was ancedotal.

You can put the names, faces, ages, traits, etc. wherever you wish.

I was just being nostalgic about my youth and the phrase, "Dance with the one that brung you."
 

FarkTypeSoldier

Junior Member
I think this deal is more or less underway again behind some doors.

I don't think we would hear anything until final announcement by Turkey's authority.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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MARCH 11, 2014
BY NEWS DESK
Turkey distancing from missile deal with China
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Objections of Western allies and reservations of local subcontractors over potential consequences of association with the blacklisted CPMIEC are distancing the Chinese contractor from the coveted $3.44 Billion missile defense contract with Ankara - Hurriyet Daily News reports.

FD2000 is the export version of the HQ-9 (dubbed the Chinese S300). FD2000 provides improved anti-stealth capability by incorporating the Type 120 low altitude search radar, and Type 305A AESA search radar for full anti ballistic missile capability, and YLC-20 passive sensor, improving counter-stealth capability.
FD2000 is the export version of the HQ-9 (dubbed the Chinese S300). FD2000 provides improved anti-stealth capability by incorporating the Type 120 low altitude search radar, and Type 305A AESA search radar for full anti ballistic missile capability, and YLC-20 passive sensor, improving counter-stealth capability.
After months of consistent support for the deal, Turkey’s defense procurement establishment and intended industry partners are wearing down over the potential $3.44 billion deal with China Precision Machinery Import-Export Corp (CPMIEC), as the administration reassesses the broader consequences of their September 2013 decision to award the controversial contract to the Chinese company. With CPMIEC being on the US black list, its potential Turkish subcontractors would be exposed to similar sanctions. “Aselsan is especially increasingly cautious,” Hurriyet quoted an anonymous source in the defense administration, military electronics specialist Aselsan, Turkey’s biggest defense firm, has been designated as the program’s prime local subcontractor.

Turkey has come under strong pressure from its NATO allies since it announced its decision over the T-LORAMIDS long-range air and anti-missile system. Ankara said it had chosen CPMIEC FD-2000 missile-defense system over rival offers from Franco-Italian Eurosam SAMP/T and Raytheon of the United States. Ankara said the decision was based on better price and better terms of technology transfer but the selection raised much controversy among NATO allies, refusing to allow integration of the Chinese system into the NATO air defense network and fact that the Chinese company has been sanctioned under the Iran, North Korea and Syria non proliferation act.

Turkey’s Defense Industry Executive Committee oversees major procurement decisions, including the air defense system. The committee is chaired by Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, while its other members include Defense Minister İsmet Yılmaz, Chief of General Staff Gen. Necdet Özel and SSM chief Murad Bayar. Bayar said Feb. 27 that Turkey was aiming to decide on talks with CPMIEC and finalize a roadmap on the program next month. “Our talks with China are ongoing. We have extended the bidding until the end of April. We are aiming to get results in early April on this,” Bayar said.

There are indications that Turkey’s procurement agency, the Undersecretariat for Defense Industries (SSM), may have distanced itself from the Chinese option. “We think that the SSM now has a more NATO-centric view over the competition, not just military,” a Turkish security official dealing with NATO said. NATO and U.S. officials have said any Chinese-built system could not be integrated with Turkey’s joint air defense assets with NATO and the U.S. and that it may harm Turkey’s relations with the alliance.

Final decision would be made by a committee chaired by Erdoğan. However, pre-election political turbulence in Turkey may have diverted Erdoğan’s attention from the contract. “The prime minister has been pro-active in all stages of the program. But we are not sure if this is a priority matter for him at the moment.” Defense officials told Hurriyet the program may drag into further uncertainty after local polls on March 30. “A decision on a program of this size and complexities may require better political stability than we have today,” one source said.
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LesAdieux

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Was it a Turkish ruse all along to get better deals from Western suppliers?

well, that might be the case. the turmoils in turkey in the last few months have weakened erdogan's postion significantly, and the election is coming, even a tough guy like erdogan doesn't want to antagonize the west at the moment.
 
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