China won Turkey's missile defense competition

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
To what extent does the export of Iraqi Kurdish oil help Iraq or destabilize Iraq?

the Kurds seem to be pretty much in control of northern Iraq, and unless Bagdad were to suddenly go brain dead they seem to be more bark then bite.over the affair likely realizing that if they don't play ball they won't get a cut of the profits. The Iraqi PM made a speech but other than that notta.

As to the missile deal I think its dead.
 

port_08

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That would be good news. NATO system is more expensive. Chinese deal is cheaper, allows co-production so Turkish engineer might gain some good insight and jobs. Turkey can be a bit more independent, in long term and not necessarily depending on 1 weapon system. Of course, this depend on Turkey. What's free market anyway? It's not a free market if you can't choose.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
That would be good news. NATO system is more expensive. Chinese deal is cheaper, allows co-production so Turkish engineer might gain some good insight and jobs. Turkey can be a bit more independent, in long term and not necessarily depending on 1 weapon system. Of course, this depend on Turkey. What's free market anyway? It's not a free market if you can't choose.

True, but...if it were a true "free market" than half of the world would be possessing nuclear weapons in their arsenal by now. Not exactly a peaceful and comfortable world in my view.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
True, but...if it were a true "free market" than half of the world would be possessing nuclear weapons in their arsenal by now. Not exactly a peaceful and comfortable world in my view.

And just how peaceful and comfortable Ukraine, Syria, and Libya feel? No doubt Iran and North Korea are glad they never gave up their nuclear weapons/research.
 

port_08

Junior Member
True, but...if it were a true "free market" than half of the world would be possessing nuclear weapons in their arsenal by now. Not exactly a peaceful and comfortable world in my view.

Actually, anyone can buy one or build one...but it's the problem of testing. Even you have one, testing it is another matter. It takes huge organization, effort, secure environment and facing the wrath of other nuclear states when you set off 1. No nation is big enough, have the place and guts, technical capability to do these test except very few nation.

Take for example, Singapore, rich enough, let say Singapore bought one from the black market, a dirty bomb of Korean make, or US supply them for free. Somehow they got it, as it's a buyers market. Now where should Singapore test them? and what implication to announce they have it. Sure, they could threaten some countries but how they deliver the A-Bom to a country like India? When you have the bom, you have to have the means to deliver it to make your threat. And what can a single piece of bomb do...it only takes 1 to wipe out Singapore from the map, but you need very many to wipe out India. Size matter.

Japan also cannot simple test them, they have no place. Fukushima already giving them radioactive headache, they probably test it in the pacific. But what implication this bring to her potential enemies...it makes it fair game Japan can be retarget by nuclear weapon by bigger state like China.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
And just how peaceful and comfortable Ukraine, Syria, and Libya feel? No doubt Iran and North Korea are glad they never gave up their nuclear weapons/research.

So you will feel better if WMD under the hands of terrorists groups after a regime change in (__insert country__)?:confused:
 

Equation

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The Chinese company with which Turkey is negotiating a tender for a long-range air defense missile system, Chinese Precision Machinery Import-Export Corporation (CPMIEC), released a statement on Tuesday about the latest developments in negotiations. The company's coordinator of long-range missile products, Wu Yang, stated that efforts are going but added that the "evaluation process about Turkey's demands is finalized." "Contract and project endeavors are going fairly well. It is almost done and the evaluation process about Turkey's demands nearly came to an end.

We suppose that the contract will be completed soon," added Wu. Turkey's preference for a Chinese air defense system has been criticized by NATO, the United States and European authorities. Beijing has yet to issue any statements on the matter. Commenting on the disputes about the tender in Turkey and international public opinion, Yang said, "both sides are still working on the matter.

Hence, it would not be proper to say anything else." CPMIEC bid $3.4 billion in a tender for long-range air defense missile while Patriot missile batteries from the U.S. and French-Italian partnership Euro-Sam did not cut the price below $4 billion. Moreover, Euro- Sam was not open to joint production and technology transfers whereas CPMIEC was. Despite ongoing negotiations with China, Turkey extended the tender time to April 31 for the companies from the U.S. and Turkey's preference for a Chinese air defense system was criticized by NATO. Europe to present new offers.
 
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