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Hadoren

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The USA is drawing down its Marine forces in Okinawa because they are recognised to be too close to mainland China and therefore vulnerable to Chinese attack.
I damn hope they withdraw all their forces one day! Or that Japan finally grows a pair and forces them out.

But right now they are there, and they can get to Taiwan in a day, and I don't believe China has the current strength to stop that. So imo we have to recognize this reality, and wait for China to develop and build-up more, so that the situation changes in the future.
 

Sleepyjam

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I am a European living in Europe as an expat. I understand that it is not easy for people from other continents and culture's to integrate in European societies. Most of the time it is not of their own fault. As a natural defense mechanism, they fall back to the only group they perceive accepts them: their ethnic people and homeland.

However, by virtue of not living and working in their homeland and feeling rejected in the foreign land, they develop an idealized and romantic view of their homeland. This can be dangerous. This is a mechanism that contributed to some of these people to be duped into joining terrorist cells. Other went to fight for ISIS in the Middle East, even though they were born and raised in Europe.

Stop and think why Taiwan matters in your life. What is your connection to that island? How will it improve your life if China reunifies with Taiwan? What will happen with your life if China doesn't reunify with Taiwan? Aren't there other, more meaningful pursuits in your life?
You must have a romantic view of Europe, it’s economy is in a decline, it’s policy on refugees has failed, it’s policy on terrorism has failed, no wonder people are joining ISIS. What does Taiwan matter to you? Reunification with China will definitely bring about much peace to the world.
 

Sleepyjam

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There are 30,000 soldiers and tens of thousands more American civilians.

Task Force 76 has capacity for 5K troops. As Vincent said, America will first confirm local air superiority along the landing route. By that time, however, there will be more amphibious ready groups in position (and they may also be carrying troops from elsewhere).

So once air superiority is confirmed, America can sail tens of thousands of troops from Okinawa to Taiwan in one day.

Again, this all depends on the strength of the Chinese forces versus the American forces. In 2020 the American forces are superior. In 2035 it's a different story, which is why I again think China needs to have patience.
What air superiority? Those soldier and civilians are more like sitting targets.
 

Sleepyjam

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I damn hope they withdraw all their forces one day! Or that Japan finally grows a pair and forces them out.

But right now they are there, and they can get to Taiwan in a day, and I don't believe China has the current strength to stop that. So imo we have to recognize this reality, and wait for China to develop and build-up more, so that the situation changes in the future.
Good thing reality doesn’t conform to your beliefs.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Okay, so there's a lot of nationalism in this thread which is leading to wishful thinking.

30,000 American troops are in Okinawa. Amphibious ready group Task Force 76 is in Okinawa. It takes one day to sail from Okinawa to Taiwan.

Thus, America can land troops onto Taiwan in one day. Here's a timeline:
  • In the morning, the troops in Okinawa get on Task Force 76 (something they've trained for their entire career).
  • In the evening, Task Force 76 is in Taiwan.
By the way, attacking Okinawa also brings Japan into the war.
NOpe you think China will sit and wait allowing the US to prepare for invasion like what they did in Irak Wrong they will preempt and strike first Most of US airforce is located in small number of base in Okinawa they will be hit first and they are not hardened ! Yup it is given that Taiwan invasion mean war with Japan. That is why China take time to prepare for the eventuality
 

AndrewS

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I'm quite certain China will not use nukes against Taiwan. Firstly that requires a renouncement of no first use policy which doesn't seem likely.
I kindof agree.

But I could imagine a situation where China conducts a nuclear weapons *test* in outer space above Taiwan.

That would be to deter the USA from intervening.
 

tamsen_ikard

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Everybody on SDF has pretty thoroughly compared the airforces of America versus China. I think we can all agree that the United States and Japan have the capacity to maintain maintain air superiority along the Ryukyu Islands.

I would like to know that story. Japan has 300 4th Gen+ fighters in total. US air force has 1600 and US navy has 600. Most of the US air force is not in Japan and will require huge logistics operation to bring it to Japan. Even if they could bring those planes during war time while facing constant Chinese attack on US ships, they must leave around half of the air force behind to defend US homeland and defend US dominance in Latin America, Europe and Middle East.

Compare that with 600 Chinese Flankers and 600 J-10 Plus 100 H-6 and 200 Jh-7 for ground and naval strikes. Chinese Air force will overwhelm US and Japan. But even before that US and Japan will have to face massive Chinese ground based and Ship based missile barrage that will destroy a lot of those planes and air bases. Chinese 50 destroyer will make Large part of Sea around Japan no go zones for US and Japanese planes with their long range air defense systems.

I think old times are done. China now dominates Air Space over Japan.
 

Max Demian

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It is the property of my nation. As a Chinese person, I have rights to it.
Technically, on paper it isn't. It's just one of a dozen of irredentist claims across the globe. Except, this one threatens to embroil the world in a major war. We also had a lot of that in Europe in the last century. Didn't end very well. That's why I feel sad to see that each nation somehow inevitably has to go through its own purgatory regardless of historical lessons ...

But thanks for sharing your thoughts and feelings.

And no, "honor" is not an indoctrinated concept.
Honour is cultural, it is acquired and is not innate.

Did your Western indoctrination teach you that Chinese have no honor and only want material things and Western "freedom?" LOL
To be honest, I think we had no more than 2 pages on China in all my classes combined. For the average person, it's just a distant and mysterious land. I was fortunate to meet quite a few Chinese through my studies and work, and I've learned that yes, they can be quite touchy on certain topics :D

I only got interested into China in a more meaningful way after visiting Taiwan and hearing the rather negative view the Taiwanese I met there had of China. To be honest, up till then I had a very positive view of China. Now it's a wash. I never payed much attention to MSM, which I have to admit is universally and unfairly negative towards China. Having said that, I like to study Chinese history when I have the time, to understand better the land, the culture and the people. The most illuminating book so far was Arthur Smith's Chinese Characteristics.
 

BrightFuture

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I am a European living in Europe as an expat. I understand that it is not easy for people from other continents and culture's to integrate in European societies. Most of the time it is not of their own fault. As a natural defense mechanism, they fall back to the only group they perceive accepts them: their ethnic people and homeland.

However, by virtue of not living and working in their homeland and feeling rejected in the foreign land, they develop an idealized and romantic view of their homeland. This can be dangerous. This is a mechanism that contributed to some of these people to be duped into joining terrorist cells. Other went to fight for ISIS in the Middle East, even though they were born and raised in Europe.

Stop and think why Taiwan matters in your life. What is your connection to that island? How will it improve your life if China reunifies with Taiwan? What will happen with your life if China doesn't reunify with Taiwan? Aren't there other, more meaningful pursuits in your life?
Can you explain my case then? I'm Spanish (not ethnically Chinese), born and raised in the West, living and studying in China.

I think the problem here is that – as some users have already pointed out – your own indoctrination and absolute ignorance about China makes you unable to understand our position.

We have lived in the West for most of our lives, we have lived in China, we speak English, we speak Chinese. Do you really think you know more than us when it comes to comparing the West and China? Do you really think you can have an objective, informed, and non biased point when you haven't lived in China and you can't even speak Chinese? Short answer: you can't; you have far less knowledge and understanding about the topic.

Oh, and one last thing: sorry to break it to you, but some people end up loving China and having those points of view, not because of racism, but because they see the hypocrisy, double standards, imperialism, hubris and bullshit of the West. Usually these people are well informed and know both sides of the coin, that's why they arrive to the inevitable conclusion that China is right. Next time don't make assumptions and don't use fallacious logic, it makes you look like a pretentious pseudo intellectual clown.
 

Sleepyjam

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I only got interested into China in a more meaningful way after visiting Taiwan and hearing the rather negative view the Taiwanese I met there had of China. To be honest, up till then I had a very positive view of China. Now it's a wash. I never payed much attention to MSM, which I have to admit is universally and unfairly negative towards China. Having said that, I like to study Chinese history when I have the time, to understand better the land, the culture and the people. The most illuminating book so far was Arthur Smith's Chinese Characteristics.
So you opinions are shaped by what people say and not what you experienced? Wow
 
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