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SteelBird

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LOL, ok. But explain to me why it is a dangerous think for me?
First, from perspective of our forum, we are a military forum which our objective is to discuss on military hardware and strategy, and try to avoid political discussion because in politics there's no right or wrong. Who you stand for is right and who you oppose is wrong. In fact, the forum prohibit political discussion and for the very reason, some of our respected member (moderator) has quit the forum. So if we talk about politics, it's better 点到即止。Do not go far into the discussion which may finally cause to inflammation and country bashing.

Second, from perspective of politics, this is considered as assassination/kidnapping of a regional/country leader. Isn't it dangerous thinking? What happen if you transform your thinking into action? It may also trigger anger and hate from the region/country. If some overheated nationalism members of ROC hear that, you become their enemy or even their target. Your safety maybe at risk.

Finally, do you know Mr. Li Ao, a writer, historian of Taiwan? He said that there's something you can say but not do, and there's some other things you can only do but not saying. Your thinking, if necessary, should be done quietly. Don't say it loud! :p If one day Tsai disappears with no reason, I'd know that it's you!
 

Brainsuker

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First, from perspective of our forum, we are a military forum which our objective is to discuss on military hardware and strategy, and try to avoid political discussion because in politics there's no right or wrong. Who you stand for is right and who you oppose is wrong. In fact, the forum prohibit political discussion and for the very reason, some of our respected member (moderator) has quit the forum. So if we talk about politics, it's better 点到即止。Do not go far into the discussion which may finally cause to inflammation and country bashing.

Second, from perspective of politics, this is considered as assassination/kidnapping of a regional/country leader. Isn't it dangerous thinking? What happen if you transform your thinking into action? It may also trigger anger and hate from the region/country. If some overheated nationalism members of ROC hear that, you become their enemy or even their target. Your safety maybe at risk.

Finally, do you know Mr. Li Ao, a writer, historian of Taiwan? He said that there's something you can say but not do, and there's some other things you can only do but not saying. Your thinking, if necessary, should be done quietly. Don't say it loud! :p If one day Tsai disappears with no reason, I'd know that it's you!
I agree that there is no right or wrong in politic. But in my understanding, military action always aim political victory. We can't separate military action from Political decision of a country. Specially when we are talking in "Strategic Defense" section of sino defense forum. It just because strategy always have very close relation to political aims that it want to achieve. Like "capture president Ortega of Panama" was a political matter, but the military action that follow that is all about military. Yet, how can we separate the political decision of the need to capture the president, while we discuss about military strategy that apply to that? It also apply to Ladakh Flash Point, China new Doctrine, etc, which are talking about politic.

Plus, we talk about China/Taiwan news, which is actually more about political than military. If Sino defense forum want to avoid political discussion, they should close Strategic Defense section and stick to the old Navy, Army, Air sub forums.

And for my defense, I was asking about "Why Kidnapping Tsai Ing wen" never become CCP option for Taiwan? It was a question. Not a pro CCP nationalism jargon to attack Taiwan. What if they success, what political backslash that they have to face, what political victory that they can achieve. Also, capturing military leader is also able to be considered as military strategy, military tactical, and military discussion of all the same. Like capturing Somali's leader that we can witness in Black Hawk Down Movie. We are not talking about the justification of the option, but a study of the option.

If you are American, you can deny the justification all you want. But this is a forum, not an actual CCP valid action. And just like you said before, there is no right or wrong in politic, this also apply to this matter. There is only a study and thought share about this matter.
 
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weig2000

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I believe PLA does have the so-called "斩首“ (beheading) plan, and Taiwan does have plan to escape their president to safer place. Taiwanese media even disclosed some details of the plan some years ago.

But all of these are part of military operation, i.e., when war breaks out across the Taiwan Strait. They're not political assassination operation. They're hugely different.
 

SteelBird

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I agree that there is no right or wrong in politic. But in my understanding, military action always aim political victory. We can't separate military action from Political decision of a country. Specially when we are talking in "Strategic Defense" section of sino defense forum. It just because strategy always have very close relation to political aims that it want to achieve. Like "capture president Ortega of Panama" was a political matter, but the military action that follow that is all about military. Yet, how can we separate the political decision of the need to capture the president, while we discuss about military strategy that apply to that? It also apply to Ladakh Flash Point, China new Doctrine, etc, which are talking about politic.

Plus, we talk about China/Taiwan news, which is actually more about political than military. If Sino defense forum want to avoid political discussion, they should close Strategic Defense section and stick to the old Navy, Army, Air sub forums.

And for my defense, I was asking about "Why Kidnapping Tsai Ing wen" never become CCP option for Taiwan? It was a question. Not a pro CCP nationalism jargon to attack Taiwan. What if they success, what political backslash that they have to face, what political victory that they can achieve. Also, capturing military leader is also able to be considered as military strategy, military tactical, and military discussion of all the same. Like capturing Somali's leader that we can witness in Black Hawk Down Movie. We are not talking about the justification of the option, but a study of the option.

If you are American, you can deny the justification all you want. But this is a forum, not an actual CCP valid action. And just like you said before, there is no right or wrong in politic, this also apply to this matter. There is only a study and thought share about this matter.
I think I would end the debate here. Thank you for all your reply and have a nice evening!
 

hullopilllw

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ROC paraphrasing Pompeo regarding China, unbelievable anything to get attention. The 'foreign affairs' spokesman even mentioned the 'Wuhan virus' affecting the world, killing millions of people, and it's China's fault. Went on to mentionedHong Kong Xinjing SCS, and even India. All these are claimed by ........ ROC!

They have sold their souls to be with USA. They are so desperate to be recognised as a country, they will even sell their grandmother.

Uh..the standard of the tw island's foreign spoke person is rather low if we compare to zhao or even gen shuang, be it their language or demenour.
The difference is even more pronounced if you place Wu next to Wang Yi.


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Brainsuker

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I think I would end the debate here. Thank you for all your reply and have a nice evening!
No, I thank you for your friendly reminder. Sometime, we can to do something that inappropiate, and friendly poster will remind us nicely for our fault. And it is not a debate at all. You just remind me with friendly attitude, and for that I feel thankful.
 

Gatekeeper

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Uh..the standard of the tw island's foreign spoke person is rather low if we compare to zhao or even gen shuang, be it their language or demenour.
The difference is even more pronounced if you place Wu next to Wang Yi.


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To be fair, they don't have much practice! Lol
Give me Hua Chunying any day. But in all seriousness, it's not the delivery, it's the message I have issue with. It literally paraphrasing Pompeo! Don't these Taiwan foreign ministry guys got any pride left?

To mentioned India, Xinjing, Hong Kong and SCS. Don't they have claim to these territories as Republic of China? And if do, don't they have a duty and responsibility to defend this territories?

Instead, they caved in, all for the visit of one health Secretary if the USA!
 

Hendrik_2000

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Western MSM and analyst like whipped up the invincibility of Taiwan armed forces I said many time they are have issue being army consists mostly of draftee and moral is low. Here is interesting peek into Taiwan armed forces preparedness
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Taiwan’s Military Has Flashy American Weapons but No Ammo
A young soldier’s suicide reveals the disastrous logistics of an undersupplied army.
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AUGUST 20, 2020, 5:00 PM

A U.S.-made F-16V releases flares during the annual Han Kuang military drills in Taichung, Taiwan, on July 16. The five-day drills aimed to test how the armed forces would repel an invasion from China, which has vowed to bring Taiwan back into the fold—by force if necessary. SAM YEH/AFP VIA GETTY IMAGES

As China builds up military forces across the Taiwan strait and vows to take back the island through “any means” necessary, the United States and others hope for a Taiwan that can stand on its own feet against Chinese aggression. But in reality, not only is the Taiwanese military facing a
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, as my previous reporting for Foreign Policy revealed, half of its tanks may not be able to run—and even fewer have functional weapons.

These failures are costing lives even before China fires a single shot. As Taiwanese politicians showcase flashy U.S. weapons bought with taxpayers’ money, the logistics inside the military remain so abysmal that a young army officer killed himself after being pressured to buy repair parts out of his own pocket.

Huang Zhi-jie was a 30-year-old lieutenant in the Taiwanese army. Initially serving in the airborne troops as an enlisted soldier, Huang was so committed that he requested officer training—normally considered more work for little reward—and was later commissioned as a lieutenant in charge of a maintenance depot of the 269th Mechanized Infantry Brigade. Huang was supposed to be the model soldier of which Taiwan desperately wanted more: a young, college-educated volunteer who chose to serve the country out of his own volition, at a time when the military was still facing difficult transition from conscription to an all-volunteer military.

But on the night of April 16, Huang hung himself on a dark staircase by his base’s mess hall. Initially
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was not even reported in the Taiwanese media, until Huang’s mother took to Facebook in
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appealing to President Tsai Ing-wen for an investigation.
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