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Sinnavuuty

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Points on the Chinese question. From simple to complex:

The fact is that China is experiencing an exponential increase in cases of Covid-19, something new for that population and something very related to the complete relaxation of restrictions in the West. But not only that. The draconian measures that we have been observing for months are fundamental to understanding certain things. People are tired of confinement. This is normal. It is part, even if it is for the noblest of causes: human life. But something I've always noticed in China is a coordination problem between national and local government. For example, I have often read cases of mayors of cities in the interior forcing bank managers to grant millionaire loans when the order in the central government was monetary tightening. In China, the mayor of a city is not a building manager. He is manager of the local development process and his performance is what guarantees internal advancement. It is clear that there is a policy of slow, gradual and safe increase in the relaxation of restrictions while local governments are doubling down on showing that their province has no cases of Covid. This is a political time bomb of great magnitude that idiotic simplifications like dictatorship x democracy explain absolutely nothing. The question is to know what are the limits of centralization and decentralization.

On the other hand, there is an ongoing dispute. The party was pressured to weaken Xi, but it strengthened him. This did not please the global powers, but it still infuriates internal sectors defeated in the middle of the dispute - some of which are mafiosi -, who will use what they have at hand and the attention to the political protagonism of billionaires so that these protests descend into a counterrevolutionary rebellion like the one in 1989. Xi Jinping will have to take short-term measures on this, which will mainly affect the economy. But in the medium and long term, the fight is political and on a large scale.

By the way, let's not be naïve, there is a clear indication of hybrid warfare, Xi warned about color revolutions at this year's SCO Summit:
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Chinese President Xi Jinping called Friday on members of a central Asian regional grouping, which includes Russia and Iran, to work together to prevent “external forces” from promoting what he called “color revolutions” — popular, pro-democracy uprisings in their countries.

Xi made the comments in Uzbekistan on the second day of a summit of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), a regional security group led by China and Russia.

In his speech, Xi said members should support efforts each country has made to safeguard its own security and development interests and work to prevent outsiders from instigating a color revolution.

Xi offered to train 2,000 police officers to set up a regional counterterrorism training center and to “strengthen law enforcement capacity building” among member nations.

Observers believe Xi was referencing Western efforts to promote pro-democracy movements that have toppled other authoritarian regimes over the years.

The SCO is made up of permanent members China, India, Pakistan, Russia and the Central Asian nations of Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. It was established in 2001 as a political, economic and security organization to counter Western institutions.

The summit was also Xi’s first overseas trip since the COVID-19 pandemic and his first in-person meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin since the Winter Olympic Games in Beijing in February, days before Putin launched his invasion of Ukraine.

The two leaders met Thursday on the sidelines of the summit and pledged support for one another. Putin assailed what he characterized as the American-dominated “unipolar” world that he sees Russia and China jointly aligned against. Xi told Putin that China is willing to work with Russia to “demonstrate the responsibility of a major country” and “inject stability into a turbulent world.”

In comments to VOA, White House National Security Council spokesman John Kirby said the partnership between Russia and China is based on mutual convenience.

He said, “These two countries are not, like, best of friends. I mean, they have a relationship, obviously, but it is not built on a whole heck of a lot of mutual trust and confidence.” Kirby said the U.S. is going to continue to keep lines of communication open with China.
 

Quan8410

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Hong Kong used to say the same thing. It didn't stop the CPC from cracking down on the rioters. Shanghai is no more important to China than other top tier cities within China. So don't exaggerate its importance.
Hong Kong and Shanghai is completely different. Hong Kong is just a capital channel to the mainland. Nothing more than that. Even Hong Kong gdp does not count to China Gdp. Hong Kong have no official that could hold a position in the politfuro. Nearly every leaders of China has ties with Shanghai in one way or another. Shanghai is different on so many dimension compared to Hong Kong. Don't underestimate its importance either.
 

KYli

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Hong Kong and Shanghai is completely different. Hong Kong is just a capital channel to the mainland. Nothing more than that. Even Hong Kong gdp does not count to China Gdp. Hong Kong have no official that could hold a position in the politfuro. Nearly every leaders of China has ties with Shanghai in one way or another. Shanghai is different on so many dimension compared to Hong Kong. Don't underestimate its importance either.
Before the CPC cracked down on HK, most people both within China and outside China claim that HK is untouchable as it is an important showcase for 1C2S and as a way to show that the CPC could keep its promise. After the crack down, now people say HK is not important and Shanghai is untouchable.

There is no question that Shanghai is important but nothing is untouchable. Shanghai might be given more leeway but it is not unlimited.
 

Quan8410

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Before the CPC cracked down on HK, most people both within China and outside China claim that HK is untouchable as it is an important showcase for 1C2S and as a way to show that the CPC could keep its promise. After the crack down, now people say HK is not important and Shanghai is untouchable.

There is no question that Shanghai is important but nothing is untouchable. Shanghai might be given more leeway but it is not unlimited.
The thing is to prepare for a bloodshed in Shanghai is a lot more complicated than doing the same in Hong Kong. CCP could do everything it wants in Hong Kong and mainland people don't really care as they have little connection to Hong Kong. Shanghai is not untouchable yes but it is still pretty darm hard. CCP will have to swallow some risks to bring Shanghai on its knee why maintain business and logistic running smoothly and not scare away foreign capital and maybe even PLA may have to step in to control.
 

Bob Smith

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Bruh


This is why mandatory service, civil or in military is a must, those spoiled brats never suffered anything more than "Muh Cinema, Muh starbucks"


Wanna know their feeling when digging trenches for half a week with their squad....
Why is this strange to you? If you want China to be anything more than a sweatshop for foreign brands, you kind of have to give their citizens these luxuries. I don't know of any high income citizens that don't demand these things.
 

superdog

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The thing is to prepare for a bloodshed in Shanghai is a lot more complicated than doing the same in Hong Kong. CCP could do everything it wants in Hong Kong and mainland people don't really care as they have little connection to Hong Kong. Shanghai is not untouchable yes but it is still pretty darm hard. CCP will have to swallow some risks to bring Shanghai on its knee why maintain business and logistic running smoothly and not scare away foreign capital and maybe even PLA may have to step in to control.
There was no bloodshed in Hong Kong, just new laws and a bunch of arrests. What exactly do you mean "bring Shanghai on its knee"?
 

solarz

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The thing is to prepare for a bloodshed in Shanghai is a lot more complicated than doing the same in Hong Kong. CCP could do everything it wants in Hong Kong and mainland people don't really care as they have little connection to Hong Kong. Shanghai is not untouchable yes but it is still pretty darm hard. CCP will have to swallow some risks to bring Shanghai on its knee why maintain business and logistic running smoothly and not scare away foreign capital and maybe even PLA may have to step in to control.

Not sure if you're a troll or you need to calm the f--k down. A few protests that can be easily handled by local police is just another regular day in China.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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(Cross-posted from Breaking & World News Thread.)

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Quan8410

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There was no bloodshed in Hong Kong, just new laws and a bunch of arrests. What exactly do you mean "bring Shanghai on its knee"?
Wipe out all foreign spies (CIA, Consulates) in Shanghai, all oppositions and strip off its special status. Make Shanghai completely being free of foreign influence, once and for all. I use the term bloodshed mainly for foreign agents but surely the purge will involve many hanjian as well.
 
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