China need a new geopolitical Doctrine ?

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China just want to use again Iran to appease Trump but that will not work. China thought the trade deal will make trump to de-escalate, but Trump no longer care about the deal because he knows the deal has failed. The US negotiator Robert Lighthizer says he don’t know what the end goal is in the trade war with China and right now they want to stop an aggressive force. Now US sanctions Chinese Officials, Including Politburo Member. Trump administration plans to finalize regulations this week that will bar the U.S. government from buying goods or services from any company that uses products from five Chinese companies including Huawei, Hikvision and Dahua. Trump gov is escalating. US also plans South China Sea announcement next week. US proved ready to take pain to stop China, China not.
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China doesn't need to do anything special to de-escalate Trump on trade front.
The optics of Trump tearing up phase one deal would positively eff up his re-election chances. He needs all hands on deck, that means farmers too, besides alt-right luminaries and boogaloo bois. China just let him paint his good self into a corner. Don't buy anything unnecessarily upfront given 2 year window.

Sanctions in way of visa denial is such a stillborn move Chen Quanguo is having a hard time maintaining a serious face.
Yup his retirement community in Florida is sorely disappointed in this outcome.

Protectionism is here to stay, courtesy of geopolitical tensions. It's not a black swan, just a long tail risk.
So these pantywaist Henny Penny oh my skying is falling malarkey are probably the reason Huawei didn't get back on you for anything you sent their way.

Trump's "bluster as a brand" attitude, taken to heart from Roy Cohn in his younger years, most likely would have him see his life ended up like both his mentor Roy Cohn and Joe McCarthy - disgraced and isolated, a pitiful and pathetic demise.
 
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Since Chinese companies will be sanctioned by the U.S. one way or another, why not form a long term partnership with Iran?
Defying U.S., China and Iran Near Trade and Military Partnership
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The investment and security pact would vastly extend China’s influence in the Middle East, throwing Iran an economic lifeline and creating new flash points with the United States.

Iran and China have quietly drafted a sweeping economic and security partnership that would clear the way for billions of dollars of Chinese investments in energy and other sectors, undercutting the Trump administration’s efforts to isolate the Iranian government because of its nuclear and military ambitions.

The partnership, detailed in an 18-page proposed agreement obtained by The New York Times, would vastly expand Chinese presence in banking, telecommunications, ports, railways and dozens of other projects. In exchange, China would receive a regular — and, according to an Iranian official and an oil trader, heavily discounted — supply of Iranian oil over the next 25 years.

The document also describes deepening military cooperation, potentially giving China a foothold in a region that has been a strategic preoccupation of the United States for decades. It calls for joint training and exercises, joint research and weapons development and intelligence sharing — all to fight “the lopsided battle with terrorism, drug and human trafficking and cross-border crimes.”
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The Chinese investments in Iran, which two people who have been briefed on the deal said would total $400 billion over 25 years, could spur still more punitive actions against Chinese companies, which have already been targeted by the administration in recent months.
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The projects, including airports, high-speed railways and subways, would touch the lives of millions of Iranians. China would develop free-trade zones in Maku, in northwestern Iran; in Abadan, where the Shatt al-Arab river flows into the Persian Gulf, and on the gulf island Qeshm.

The agreement also includes proposals for China to build the infrastructure for a 5G telecommunications network, to offer the new Chinese Global Positioning System, Beidou, and to help Iranian authorities assert greater control over what circulates in cyberspace, presumably as China’s Great Firewall does.
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China , Iran entering military alliance.Attacking by others on one would required the other one come to defense?
 
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gadgetcool5 said:
China's strategy is to align as many countries as possible against China. The same as the US strategy. See? The two countries agree :D
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Your strategy is to make as many factually incorrect comments/indefensible predictions and to get any many members to argue with you or thumbs up comments that argue against yours as possible. That's the only strategy you know and that's why you think you see this strategy everywhere.;)
 
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I don't know what you guys think. I can across this and thought WOW! This is quite a graphic reality check. With the exception of Russia, nothing really has changed in over 120 years!

It looks like China need to get stronger to stand up to these nations who will always ganged up together. China did try to form the BRICS. But with India and Brazil leaning back to the West. One thing is certain, and that is uncertainty. "Friendship and allies" are as reliable and dependable as candle in the wind.

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You should note, this was what the map looked like back then. China at the time was also 8.3% of the world GDP, whereas modern China is 16% by nominal GDP and 17.3% by PPP GDP.
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What's new? The Euros are always starting trouble with everyone else from their crusades to colonialism. They've been raping and pillaging each other for millennia so once the transport options were enough, they exported their ways. So no it's not a cycle or nothing changing for just 120 years. It's nothing changed. China's always going to be a juicy target for them even if facades and tonality changes through the ages.

The most capable weapon they've got now is their ability to split the world up and get the rest of the world to fight each other first if they're not already under the boot and constantly licking it.
 
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When can Chinese people be as confrontational and reductive as the rest of them? Should just call all anti-China people imperialist bootlickers. There, geopol strat sorted. "Commie bootlickers" vs imperialist bootlickers.
 
AssassinsMace

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The anti-China alliance had more of a percentage of the world's money in the past. So if having all the money is everything, why didn't they take on China in the past when it was easier? How come the West can't take on North Korea with even less money? If money is everything North Korea should be easy. Just look at coronavirus response by Americans. Some won't even put on a mask because they think it's linked to the rights as individuals yet somehow they're going to sacrifice their lives to fight China for someone else?
 
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Biden's FP team. Search them up yourself, but there is a pretty decent chance that they will back off from China and focus on Iran and the middle east. They may even get back into Afghanistan if China's lucky. Of course, with the bipartisan shift against China, the policies may not change even though Trump loses. Here are some brief descriptions:
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1282522369098240000

Hopefully if Trump loses, the current hawks in power don't cause any permanent crisis that forces Biden to stay in Asia. Although I'm sure that China would be able to let bygones be bygones if it means 4 years of peace, I'm worried of what Japan and Taiwan will do to make the US stay focused on China.
 
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