China need a new geopolitical Doctrine ?

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manqiangrexue

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The posters here don't see anything as a problem. China is literally committing suicide of it's hopes for greatness and they don't see it as a problem.
It's not a problem because all your points have been rebutted and you cannot answer except to repeat the already defeated points.
That's fine but for forward thinking and smart Chinese, who can see China going down this dark path of the dead end, reversing opening & reform, and going down the path of the autarkic ethnostate, they should get out as soon as possible. What's happening today is similar to the 1st time the iron curtain descended over China, in 1949.
Defining oneself (and those imaginary people who agree with you) as "smart" or "forward-thinking" after losing all debates is not a sufficient rebuttal.
Time to say goodbye to China for the time being.
Say it forever. It's no loss when spineless people leave. Patriots stay and fight and lift the country to victory. The shame is that after all that, the worms crawl back and declare themselves Chinese and part of the success.
 

ougoah

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China desperately still needs to reduce its population. The future isn't in subsistence farming. If humans survive the threat of wars, natural disasters, climate change, peak oil, pandemics etc, we are on the verge of new technological and industrial revolutions. There's a balance between mouths to feed and labour value, individual productivity... maybe the population decline in China has been a little too dramatic which could potentially cause volatility in less obvious ways but as things stand and as the population ages, the fact still remains that China's population (yes even the young <30 population) is very much still high, possibly even too high for the coming era of unprecedented changes to how societies will function, assuming things go well and proceed normally for Earth.

Anyone saying China's population is too low or rather will be too low, doesn't understand numbers and demographics. The only potential issue is the volatility that a sudden change in demographics may cause but I doubt it'll be that bad. Eventually the birth rates in China are going to reach Japan/South Korea/ Western nations levels but this is actually opportunity and given the high ecological and economic costs for consumption, sooner rather than later, countries with high birth rates will become increasingly poor. Things are getting increasingly expensive and energy/food/water/ COx/ SOx are getting more and more unaffordable. India is in a world of hurt in this respect. India as a nation is going to collapse from one of many things. Possibly a combination of factors within this century. Most intelligent people who are not blinded by liberalism can see this. India's problems require miracles coinciding, China's requires some stimulus packages if it ever even comes to that level of desperation for more people... lol more Chinese people.
 

ougoah

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I am not spineless, I just have a different perception of reality than you. Like I said, when I am proven right in 20-30 years you won't be around.

Nothing says I'm a moron and an asshole more than this line. So you're surely going to be around and not rotting in the ground in 20 years huh? If not, China's demographics are the least of your problems. But let's think about things objectively. Maybe you'll realise how stupid you sound.
 

manqiangrexue

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I am not spineless, I just have a different perception of reality than you.
And everyone else here... except the imaginary "smart" and "forward-thinking" people in your posts LOL.

You can say you're not spineless but your desire to not only abandon your country but also ask others to follow during the most critical battle of the century is the definition of spineless. Danny Devito can say he's not short but that doesn't make it true, just like the rest of your empty claims that don't stand up to rebuttal. People from Falun Gong say, "I'm not a traitor; I'm a spiritual thinker... who's hated by all Chinese people and banned in my own country..." LOL The only way you wouldn't necessarily be spineless is if you're just pretending to be Chinese here.
Like I said, when I am proven right in 20-30 years you won't be around.
I'll definitely be around in 20-30 years assuming I don't fly Boeing too often but one thing you're right on is that you need to keep making your predictions timed for when no one else is around to avoid the embarrassment of being wrong. And 2100 is actually 80 years away, not a mistake many Chinese can make...
 
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Gatekeeper

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This is a catastrophe. China is becoming a pariah state. Soon it will have no markets, be totally isolated. China's working age population is plummeting, lost 900,000 in just the last year. By 2100 China's population will shrink to 700 million, less than half of India, and even Nigeria is projected to be more populous. Its market will be small. Its technological integration with the world cut off, which will limit its economic potential. Basically the next Japan... total decline, shrinkage on all fronts. Utter unmitigated disaster.

When that day comes all you forum members will either be dead, gone from the forum, or have nothing to say. Maybe one or two of you will finally admit I was right, but what good will it be then? Aya. It's over. I encourage all forward thinking Chinese to emigrate... Chinese once built great success in Southeast Asia, and overseas. Come to the US while you still can and build a life. Anyone can be successful here. That guy who founded Zoom is a billionaire now. The diaspora is the only hope now.

OMG. Stop smoking whatever it is you are smoking. And don't forget to wear that tin foil hat.

Think about it, What's all those countries with large population have in common? They are all dirt poor. There's a fine line between market size and poverty.
 

Weaasel

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This is a catastrophe. China is becoming a pariah state. Soon it will have no markets, be totally isolated. China's working age population is plummeting, lost 900,000 in just the last year. By 2100 China's population will shrink to 700 million, less than half of India, and even Nigeria is projected to be more populous. Its market will be small. Its technological integration with the world cut off, which will limit its economic potential. Basically the next Japan... total decline, shrinkage on all fronts. Utter unmitigated disaster.

When that day comes all you forum members will either be dead, gone from the forum, or have nothing to say. Maybe one or two of you will finally admit I was right, but what good will it be then? Aya. It's over. I encourage all forward thinking Chinese to emigrate... Chinese once built great success in Southeast Asia, and overseas. Come to the US while you still can and build a life. Anyone can be successful here. That guy who founded Zoom is a billionaire now. The diaspora is the only hope now.

This guy is either hysterical or just trolling...
 

Gatekeeper

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Great Carlos, China remembers the humination of the Opium War by which Britain used an excuse to colonise part of China, because China provincial governor burnt a consignment of opium destined for Guangdong by the British, hence the 'Unequal Treaty'. Eight powers, US, Britain, Germany etc.. including Japan carved out China in the weak Qing Dynasty.

No more! China is now strong, people are determined, intelligent, hardworking, and cohesive. China does not want a war, any war; but is not afraid of a war if it comes.

Yes. Those days are long gone! Which is why this latest round of ganging up by the west is doomed to fail. The quicker the west realise that China is no longer the "sick man" of the East. The quicker we can have a peaceful and prosperous relationship.

This is why some posters here make me laugh. They always think we are Pro-CCP because we "defend" China. The truth is we are defending peace and prosperity. At no time, you hear us say we want to attack the west. All the discussion here, and by "pro-China" members here is defensive in nature. In response to mainly USA's geopolitical moves on China.
 
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