manqiangrexue and escobar you both need to chill it a bit. It's just becoming very aggressive attacks on each other's positions. The off handed insults probably instigated this but you're both starting to take the discussion points into hyperbole territory. The grip on reality is being lost lol
China need a new geopolitical Doctrine ?
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escobar
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Why should I even prove that? I already said for now it is a hollow alliance until we see what will really happen.
manqiangrexue
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You, with your nonsense about a lot of things being bought. If that weren't true, then there would be an end to business. That's a meaningless statement.
My sentence, in English, means that they can follow the US if they choose, but China can refuse them whatever China sees fit. If that's not how you read it, then relearn English.
The Feeling of the people is what PR is meant to influence. And if everyone in a country doesn't want to buy your things because your country has a poor image in their mind, that's as good or even better than a sanction or boycott. Don't try to be cute when you cannot even understand the meaning of the passage.
I don't know if you are legitimately this stupid or just feel too invested and shameful to back off your defeated nonsense points.
I don't know what you are specifically talking about. I don't see any threats that they made that they cannot carry through. I'm having a conversation with you so you provide your evidence or just be silently wrong again.
escobar
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Soccer retaliation vs Huawei ban. So Nice.
Are you for harsh retaliations? There aren't many ways China can retaliate against Huawei ban from UK outside of banning some UK products which surely will be retaliated against as well. China shouldn't get involved with a decoupling with UK trade. So there will be no retaliation against the UK. I mean Huawei getting any western market is just a bonus to be honest. No harm no foul. China itself refrains from using most if not all foreign equipment when it comes to these sorts of things.
escobar
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Well the thing is they were talking about that since 2016 but nothing really happen because of US sanction on Iran.
China could definitely make a lot of trouble for America if it wanted to.
The issue however is that it doesn't seem to want to, despite the US becoming more and more aggressive by the day.
Sometimes I worry about how rabidly people defend China's lack of ability to argue for itself on the international stage. It's very clear that psychological operations to swing global opinion are real, yet you don't want to get in on that action?
Regardless, the deal is still being debated in the Iranian parliament. China will openly trade with Iran when it is ready to openly fight the world order, and not a moment before.
The issue however is that it doesn't seem to want to, despite the US becoming more and more aggressive by the day.
Sometimes I worry about how rabidly people defend China's lack of ability to argue for itself on the international stage. It's very clear that psychological operations to swing global opinion are real, yet you don't want to get in on that action?
Regardless, the deal is still being debated in the Iranian parliament. China will openly trade with Iran when it is ready to openly fight the world order, and not a moment before.
I don't think there were any serious talks of weapons sales to Iran then. There were in the past some missile deals and those fast attack boats. Those weren't really all that threatening to Israel and KSA but some missiles did make their way into Shia "groups", I think one or two AShM was used on an Israeli destroyer by one of these groups. KSA and Israel also have their own financed "groups".
J-10 export talk back then was mostly rumours I think. Even now I doubt China will sell any advanced fighters. Iran can produce their own missiles now and pretty much everything else outside of the super exotic weapons. A fighter deal would really be unprecedented and the only thing Iran many really want to buy. Anything more offensive and capable would definitely not be sell-able unless China wants a full Israeli and KSA retaliation. Right now China's got neutral to decent relations with all three nations and most likely wants to keep things that way. Making some pocket change by selling a few fighters is not a good deal. The only militarily pressing matter when it comes to Iran is really just ensuring its security which it seems to be able to do on its own without further purchases abroad. A good number of capable 4.5 gen fighters would be nice though. I'd be more worried about controlling the strait and J-10 got the range and payload to do the job? Point is I very much doubt any military trade will eventuate with the Iran China deal.
If China is capable of producing high valued latest high tech devices and other products relying very little on imports of such products from the US or US aligned countries, US leverage will be greatly weakened. This is especially the case of IC chips of the types currently made by TSMC and Samsung, and EUV lithography machines made by ASML. Other countries will not have to listen to the US, because they will have another ready alternative to purchase goods that the like.
Huawei's vulnerability stems for its reliance on TSMC for chips, and TSMC's reliance on ASML and other chip manufacturing equipment makers on equipment to produce these chips, all of which are from countries that are close US Allies or are US companies themselves.
escobar
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That is precisely what I am saying. China should not overacting on this huawei drama. It is a just a PR trap. The real battle is not there.
If a country don't want huawei China should not care so much.
Exactly. At least we have someone not hypocrite here. And when China were doing that, the US Gov were not making threat.
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