China Flanker Thread II

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Aniah

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weig2000 said:
I thought the contract China signed with Russia back then was for import -> domestic assembly -> domestic production. That is, the Chinese would eventually have the license to produce indigenously. Su-27 (import), J-11A (domestic assembly of import ed sub-assembly and components), J-11B (domestic production), J-16/J-16D (complete new variant). There was no specific clause to prevent China from developing its variants. In fact, there was the implicit expectation that many follow-up orders for upgrades and/or key components such as engines would be forthcoming before the Chinese could master the art of producing their own variants or key components, if they could at all.

I'm curious, do you have any insight in any of these related clauses? The way you put it ("go-ahead-and-copy-em-if-ya-like") suggests that either you have some knowledge or some strong emotion about it. Is there any specific clause that prevents China from evolving the platform on its own? I completely understand some people for whatever reason might not be happy with the fact that China could absorb and digest the original platform and eventually come up with better variants using its own technologies (or a lot faster than expected). But that was China's ultimate goal right from the beginning from the way the contract was structured. Perhaps Russia was OK with that? Or perhaps the Chinese was underestimated back then that it was felt that was no need to put in such a clause?

So what do you know about these "damn things" as you put them? Or are you just expressing some useless and unjustified moral indignation?
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The latter, it's definitely the latter.
 
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As far as I know, this image posted by @HenriKenhmann this is the first clear one showing a J-16 carrying a true target designator pod.

However I‘m not sure if it is the YINGS-III oder a system from AVIC’s Institut 613.

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huitong said:
That's a KL700A from a different angle.
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I don't think so -- the KL700A doesn't have a ram air intake on the left upper rear side of the pod as in that insure.

Also, the front of the pod itself is quite spherical like targeting pods (like litening it KJDC01 family or the most recent appearance of YINGS-III), rather than the tapered front of the pod of KL700A.
The upper right side of the front of the pod is partly obscured by shadow, making it look tapered, but if you look carefully the spherical outline is actually quite visible.

Also, at the ventral position of the pod in that image we can see a recess, with some lines at the front of the pod, which we only really see on the front of a targeting pod with gimbal.

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Also, this pod is mounted on the FLIR hardpoint, which is a common/standard position for a targeting pod to be placed rather than an EW pod, among virtually all global FLIR hardpoints.

I'm also 95% sure that image shows the same pod as in this picture, which makes me think this was probably the first image we had of J-16 equipped with its standard service targeting pod.

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8 times 24 - a little under 200.

Unless some of the early batches had less than 24 planes and/or some of the latter batches had more than 24 planes. :D
 
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