thunderchief
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Could you please share some specifications of this radar (1493) . Naturally, I'm most interested in range against specific RCS
So far, only thing I could find is this 
China Flanker Thread II
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Could you please share some specifications of this radar (1493) . Naturally, I'm most interested in range against specific RCS
So far, only thing I could find is this 
SinoSoldier
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I don't know where that number came from, but a few years back I read an article that put its detection range at roughly 350 km (presumably for a large target), on par with that of the Bars system on the Su-30MKI.
thunderchief
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Well, stated range of Bars for fighter sized targets is around 150 km , so that could be it .
Sorry guys, I need to apologize !
NOOOO ... it is only a Photoshop-Fake based on the J-16-prototype '1612' !!!!
However I would not complain if the real J-11D would look like that.
Deino
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J-11D ? What happened to the J-11C ? If I understand it correctly the J-11D is an upgraded J-11B with an AESA radar, better engines and a lot of other electronic and avionic improvements which most of them can be found back on the J-16. Now according to Boeing they were able to make improvements on the Hornets based on their experience building the X-32 JSF tech demonstrator. The same will likely be true for Shenyang and the Flankers with the J-31 project.
But the question is also isn't it late in the day to be investing in a new Flanker variant with the rise of the fifth generation fighters all over the world. The US has the F-22 and the F-35, the Russians with their SU-PAK FA and China with its own stealth fighter programs the J-20 and the J-31. Not to mention that the allies of the US including Japan and South Korea are getting the F-35 and the Indians are getting their specialized version of the SU-PAK FA. On top of that Japan, India and South Korea are all trying to build their own stealth fighters aside from their imports. Is the Flanker not an outdated platform and China should focus its resources on the J-20 and perhabs the J-31 ?
But the question is also isn't it late in the day to be investing in a new Flanker variant with the rise of the fifth generation fighters all over the world. The US has the F-22 and the F-35, the Russians with their SU-PAK FA and China with its own stealth fighter programs the J-20 and the J-31. Not to mention that the allies of the US including Japan and South Korea are getting the F-35 and the Indians are getting their specialized version of the SU-PAK FA. On top of that Japan, India and South Korea are all trying to build their own stealth fighters aside from their imports. Is the Flanker not an outdated platform and China should focus its resources on the J-20 and perhabs the J-31 ?
manqiangrexue
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You're making the assumptions that 1. all combat roles should be filled by stealth fighters and 2. highly up-graded 4th generation fighters cannot meaningfully contribute to a fight in which an adversary uses stealth aircraft.
1. stealth fighters are greatly limited in carrying capacity (at least in stealth configuration) so if you need a jet to haul and launch a huge anti-shipping missile without being an absolute sitting duck should anything go wrong, a heavily upgraded 4th generation fighter with great maneuverability, range, and payload and a powerful radar is perfect. Using H-6 would almost guarantee that you'd lose it if an enemy fighter got on it and using J-20 would be pointlessly expensive since it'd have to carry the missile externally and lose stealth.
2. Technologies for making it easier to track stealth fighters are rapidly evolving. A 4th generation fighter with excellent aerodynamic performance, highly modern AESA radar, and IRST, data-linked with other similar fighters, allied stealth fighters, and a powerful AWAC can give enemy stealth fighters, especially lower-end or budget stealth fighters, a big run for their money.
AssassinsMace
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Here's another one.
SinoSoldier
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The J-11D is by no means an outdated platform. Most of the world's air forces will rely on 4.5 generation fighter aircraft as their main workhorses in the first few decades of the 21st century, including that of the United States and Russia. Even first-tier air forces like those of North America or Western Europe will continue to rely on "legacy" airframes, as fifth generation platforms are procured in low numers due to costs.
The PLAAF still has hundreds of third- and fourth-generation aircraft to be supplemented or ursurped, and it would be quite silly to think that the PLAAF has the budget to do so with the J-20 or J-31.
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